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It's mostly the same reason they kneejerk hate Clavicular for trying to look good. The Problem is this is all deflecting from the actual reason you can't get a date: you're an incel because of toxic masculinity personality traits. Stop focusing on looks or any of this other shit. None of it matters. Women are not shallow. You can't get laid because you've internalized misogyny and even white supremacy. Women aren't passing you up because you're not hot like a celebrity or jacked. It's because of what's inside.
There is some truth to it, if you're being rejected it might be because you're a Chud, but they live in a fantasy world where men with the worst beliefs and personalities aren't also getting laid because they look hot.
Do women, on average, kneejerk hate Clavicular for trying to look good? I haven't observed that reaction.
If we consider "all women" to be "online progressive white women", yes. Putting aside the fact that his looksmaxxing tactics are "extreme" (aka what the top 10-30% of female celebrities/models would do without really making a fuss), still yes.
He's is trying to teach men they're not getting laid because they're ugly and would get laid if they looked good. He's not trying to teach men to reject toxic masculinity and misogyny, if anything he's telling them to lean into it.
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They feel a lot of things when they look at him. Sometimes it does express as resentment but it can't really be boiled down to any one thing.
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