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Culture War Roundup for the week of May 18, 2026

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Yes the FBI is allowed to have the data of child porn in the specific context of using it to identify other child porn. Very interesting way to word it.

That sounds like an odious context, because it doesn't really need to be identified now does it? Unless you're enforcing the extremely severe law on people who accidentally see a 17 year old on some mainstream website. Which is probably the main use case for that.

Anyway AFAIK, they're also allowed to broadly posses it, receive it, distribute it, and even cause the production of it. I have read that they entrap people by sending it to them when asked, and the by asking for photos of family members that they then use to identify the people they entrap. This implies possession by the FBI, knowing reception by the FBI, knowing distribution by the FBI, and encouraging production by the FBI. It almost looks a pedophilic enterprise operating under the thin cover of pedo hunting. The only difference is the badge. Imagine if one of those street hunter people did this. They would be arrested! Personally I think their methods should be reigned in, because makes me sick to see an FBI agent when I know he is quite likely to be someone who trades it on the darknet all day for „justice” or „the greater good” or whatever. I'm glad entrapment is illegal in my country because it must select for some disgusting people to sign up for law enforcement duties.

Yep, that's how the law works.

Yes, yes. It's all legal. That's how your law works. It's wrong, but it's how you made it work. Except for the part where the evidence might be planted. But that's impossible to prove, and defendants are forbidden from alleging it in court. Which means they are not allowed to really defend themselves. Which means it would be very easy for the government to get away with it, when you understand how it all works.

The only difference is the badge. Imagine if one of those street hunter people did this. They would be arrested!

Yep the difference between law enforcement acting in an official capacity to catch criminals is different than a vigilante. The same way you can't be a "street hunter" for drugs and just do it to sell drugs to people.

Personally I think their methods should be reigned in, because makes me sick to see an FBI agent when I know he is quite likely to be someone who trades it on the darknet all day for „justice” or „the greater good” or whatever.

The justice and greater good of catching pedophiles actively seeking out child abuse material.

I'm glad entrapment is illegal in my country because it must select for some disgusting people to sign up for law enforcement duties.

Entrapment is an incredibly misunderstood legal doctrine, it is not entrapment that you get caught doing a crime you were already doing. Entrapment is not allowed in the US either.

Yep the difference between law enforcement acting in an official capacity to catch criminals is different than a vigilante. The same way you can't be a "street hunter" for drugs and just do it to sell drugs to people.

Yes, they use the same tactics for drugs as well. Which should be illegal.

The justice and greater good of catching pedophiles actively seeking out child abuse material.

You can have that without entrapment. Many countries do, including my own.

Entrapment is an incredibly misunderstood legal doctrine, it is not entrapment that you get caught doing a crime you were already doing. Entrapment is not allowed in the US either.

Americans have redefined it to make it okay in their country. The common sense definition is any act which is meant to entice someone to commit a crime is entrapment. United States law enforcement at all levels commits many such acts of entrapment. If the entrapped person was already doing the crime, then they need to be prosecuted for those acts, not acts that they were pushed to do by law enforcement. If law enforcement can't find evidence, then too bad, that's the point of privacy rights. 99% of the time they can't find evidence because the act is actually not harmful, which is why victims are not lining up to testify about how they have been damaged.

What country are you in? It seems more reasonable that you, like most citizens, misunderstand your local laws than that your country never uses undercover cops at all.

I am in Europe however I would rather not reveal my exact country. Just look it up and you can narrow down the list.

So I checked and ChatGPT does explain that some of the countries have stricter limits but they all do seem to still allow undercover work that would fit into the "undercover cop offers you drugs" framework. Or a similar "car is left with door open and they arrest anyone who steals from it" framework.

Germany allows it for serious crimes with prosecutorial and judicial authorization. Netherlands has judicial oversight. France allows it for organized crime and narcotics. UK had a few major scandals so they also require higher authorization first. They do seem to be a bit stricter on how much you can pressure someone before it falls into incitement, but that's it

It's possible the check is wrong, but it's just really hard to imagine a nation that takes drugs or CP or gangs or other crimes seriously and doesn't allow undercover work to catch people who are willfully commiting crime.