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If you disagree. I saw you personally didn't, but many others do and the context of the argument is people disagreeing with me on his guilt.
He was guilty.
He was initially not arrested, and then later charged and convicted of manslaughter.
Yes there is.
That's also what is to be expected with anyone approaching in even slightly good faith, that any random conviction was done to a truly guilty person since the US legal system is generally reliable.
It's not perfect, every system will have flaws. But the US is good enough that generally "well I don't agree with the conviction" is a sign of bias or misunderstanding rather than a wrong conviction. When you actually look at the legal facts seriously, like you've done here, you should generally come to a conclusion like you have. He was guilty of what he was convicted for.
Yes, it looked at first like a fairly reasonable self-defense. A man attacked him and got shot for it. McGlockton was guilty of a serious offense against a person as well. He was just too dead to convict over it.
I eagerly await you full-throatedly repeating this argument to the African American community.
Yes, police brutality against blacks is also rare and basically everyone who gets a conviction against them for serious crime they fought in court is guilty of what they are accused of.
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