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Culture War Roundup for the week of June 22, 2026

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It being a crime is meant to be a deterrent, i.e., it serves to prevent it from happening and not just to punish people when it does.

Locker rooms are still necessary to prevent men from looking at women, as discussed in my previous comment. Using criminal prosecution or the possibility thereof to prevent this is unrealistic because it is something most men are inclined to do if given the opportunity, unlike indecent exposure, which only a small number of perverts do and which is widely condemned.

So are you in favour of abolishing sex-segregation entirely?

I made a mistake in my previous comment. It was meant to read:

Segregated locker rooms are still necessary to prevent men from looking at women, as discussed in my previous comment. Using criminal prosecution or the possibility thereof to prevent this is unrealistic because it is something most men are inclined to do if given the opportunity, unlike indecent exposure, which only a small number of perverts do and which is widely condemned.

I still don't understand why you want to prevent creepy men from gawping at women changing, unless said men purport to "identify as" women.

Because trans women are not men, creepy or otherwise. I want to prevent men from looking at them, too. They'll have breasts, and many men will find them interesting to look at even if they have a penis, and some don't even have a penis and are visually indistinguishable from cis women. Why do you only care about cis women's privacy?

Because trans women are not men, creepy or otherwise.

You don't consider any of these people creepy? Or how about some of these.

some don't even have a penis and are visually indistinguishable from cis women

I would love to see one of these trans-identified males who is visually indistingushable from an actual woman I keep hearing so much about.

Why do you only care about cis women's privacy?

Because, being physically weaker, female people are vastly more vulnerable to rape and sexual assault than male people. Unlike male people, female people can be forcibly impregnated.

You don't consider any of these people creepy? Or how about some of these.

The average trans person is not creepy. There are cis women who commit all sorts of crime, too, including sexual assault of women.

I would love to see one of these trans-identified males who is visually indistingushable from an actual woman I keep hearing so much about.

Kim Petras? She started hormones at 12, so she never went through male puberty that would give her masculine features.

Because, being physically weaker, female people are vastly more vulnerable to rape and sexual assault than male people.

Testosterone blockers and estrogen decrease muscle mass, and, if started at an early age, prevent masculine bone structure. The average trans woman who transitions late is weaker than the average cis man, though I don't know if she's as weak as a cis woman. The average trans woman who transitions early is as weak as a cis woman.

The average trans person is not creepy.

I agree. The average trans-identified male, however, I'm not quite as confident about.

Kim Petras? She started hormones at 12, so she never went through male puberty that would give her masculine features.

Afraid not, clocked them instantly. Very confused by the claim that it's impossible to distinguish male and female people until after they've gone through puberty.

though I don't know if she's as weak as a cis woman. The average trans woman who transitions early is as weak as a cis woman.

Wrong on both counts:

Longitudinal studies examining the effects of testosterone suppression on muscle mass and strength in transgender women consistently show very modest changes, where the loss of lean body mass, muscle area and strength typically amounts to approximately 5% after 12 months of treatment. Thus, the muscular advantage enjoyed by transgender women is only minimally reduced when testosterone is suppressed.

With all due respect, I don't think you're quite as well-informed about this topic as you think you are.

Very confused by the claim that it's impossible to distinguish male and female people until after they've gone through puberty.

Secondary sexual characteristics don't develop until puberty.

Afraid not, clocked them instantly.

I would say it depends on the photo. Sometimes her jaw seems unusually broad, sometimes she passes perfectly. You have to admit in many photos she passes.

How about Diana Korkunova? She was well-known in Russia for being openly trans years ago, though Putin outlawed being trans recently so I don't know what's going on with her right now.

Wrong on both counts:

Longitudinal studies examining the effects of testosterone suppression on muscle mass and strength in transgender women consistently show very modest changes, where the loss of lean body mass, muscle area and strength typically amounts to approximately 5% after 12 months of treatment. Thus, the muscular advantage enjoyed by transgender women is only minimally reduced when testosterone is suppressed.

With all due respect, I don't think you're quite as well-informed about this topic as you think you are.

My claim that:

The average trans woman who transitions late is weaker than the average cis man, though I don't know if she's as weak as a cis woman.

is consistent with that. I never specified how much weaker she is than the average cis men, though for the sake of honesty, I will say I expected the difference to be greater. Note also that your study (have you read or skimmed the whole thing or just the abstract?) notes that the muscle mass continues decreasing after one year.

The study does not address my claim that:

The average trans woman who transitions early is as weak as a cis woman.

In fact, they note:

Tack et al. [72] was not included in the table since some of the participants had not completed full puberty at treatment initiation.

Meaning they believe the conclusion would have been different if the participants had started their transitions earlier.

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