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You don't consider any of these people creepy? Or how about some of these.
I would love to see one of these trans-identified males who is visually indistingushable from an actual woman I keep hearing so much about.
Because, being physically weaker, female people are vastly more vulnerable to rape and sexual assault than male people. Unlike male people, female people can be forcibly impregnated.
The average trans person is not creepy. There are cis women who commit all sorts of crime, too, including sexual assault of women.
Kim Petras? She started hormones at 12, so she never went through male puberty that would give her masculine features.
Testosterone blockers and estrogen decrease muscle mass, and, if started at an early age, prevent masculine bone structure. The average trans woman who transitions late is weaker than the average cis man, though I don't know if she's as weak as a cis woman. The average trans woman who transitions early is as weak as a cis woman.
I agree. The average trans-identified male, however, I'm not quite as confident about.
Afraid not, clocked them instantly. Very confused by the claim that it's impossible to distinguish male and female people until after they've gone through puberty.
Wrong on both counts:
With all due respect, I don't think you're quite as well-informed about this topic as you think you are.
Secondary sexual characteristics don't develop until puberty.
I would say it depends on the photo. Sometimes her jaw seems unusually broad, sometimes she passes perfectly. You have to admit in many photos she passes.
How about Diana Korkunova? She was well-known in Russia for being openly trans years ago, though Putin outlawed being trans recently so I don't know what's going on with her right now.
My claim that:
is consistent with that. I never specified how much weaker she is than the average cis men, though for the sake of honesty, I will say I expected the difference to be greater. Note also that your study (have you read or skimmed the whole thing or just the abstract?) notes that the muscle mass continues decreasing after one year.
The study does not address my claim that:
In fact, they note:
Meaning they believe the conclusion would have been different if the participants had started their transitions earlier.
Yes but – are you telling me you can't tell a boy and a girl apart unless they have breasts? Six-year-old boys and girls look like an androgynous mass to you?
No, I don't. I was introduced to Petras by my brother, who wasn't aware that they were trans, but I clocked her immediately.
This is clearly a heavily filtered and colour-corrected photo, and Korkunova is wearing a baggy sweater which hides the breadth of their shoulders. A cursory Google indicates that basically every photo of them meets that description, which is surely very telling.
Hairstyle and clothing is a major confounding factor. If a six-year-old boy and girl had the exact same hairstyle and outfit – which never happens because there are clearly defined boy and girl styles – do you think you could tell them apart? How?
You can look her up to find more photos. Or look at her Instagram (apparently she's in Paris, which is good to hear).
Edit: Just saw your edit. Are you honestly telling me, after looking at various photos of her, that she looks like a man or like she used to be a man?
Yes, not perfectly, but far more reliably than chance
Because humans are sexually dimorphic in appearance. The sexual dimorphism becomes more pronounced after puberty, but it's still present beforehand. There are a hundred little tells that I might not even be consciously aware of that would give it away.
This conversation is becoming a bit surreal, if I'm honest. I never thought the proposition "boys and girls look different from one another" would need defending.
The conversation has become the platonic ideal of "liberals pretending not to know things, thus making discourse impossible." "Humans display sexual dimorphism and can readily be distinguished on that basis" ought to be a "water is wet" type of proposition, yet here you are.
Yeah, I was trying to be charitable, but that's a difficult comparison to avoid making.
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