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Working harder than is good or reasonable is cheating, because one attempts to lower others to that miserable level, which is bad or them, or else one takes what is rightfully theirs in terms of status, money, and employment. It's the same as using steroids in sports. It's unhealthy, it's not reasonable, you either win outside of the bounds of reasonable competition and therefore rob your competitors, or you force others to poison their bodies just like you.
Even if that kind of idiosyncratic statement was true, so what? You just said society isn't real, so if my family wants to outwork your family then you have no say. Society is what sets norms around what is reasonable behaviour. If it doesn't exist then everyone gets to set their own norms, no?
This comment is bad faith. You are following me between threads. Are you sneering at my messages in a Discord somewhere waiting to point out perceived inconsistencies between threads or something? Because it's not just you and these comments aren't exactly wracking up tons of organic views.
Anyway, what I meant by saying society is made up, is that there is no super entity that can be endowed with joint feelings that you owe. Therefore you cannot say it is possible to go behind society's back, or for society to decide something, in the same way that a family can coordinate. Obviously, there exists sets of people. Cheating and mass immigration effect the set of legacy American families and people, each individually in a bad way. Whereas a 25 year old dating a 17 year old effects no one in a bad way.
Nope, I just use the last posted page to browse and saw one comment then the other. No sinister Discord groups to stalk random people. Just reading. Promise.
And even if you want your discussion at the level of individuals then you may feel it doesn't harm anyone and another individual may feel it does. If that individual can persuade other individuals to intervene through social pressure or laws then you end up in the same place. Sets of people can coordinate actions from families on up.
You exist in a world with other people. Those other people may have different views to you. That you don't think it harms anyone matters not a jot. Only what you can persuade others to accept. To that extent society is real.
Stop with the amoralism. this is a philosophical forum where we discuss what is just. this is not a business, political party, or parliament. It is just for natives to prevent a 9 9 6 race to the death in their own country. it is unjust for jealous busybodies to meddle with romantic relationships that of those of strangers. It is not a logical rebuttal to merely describe the amoral process by which injustice happens. I am sure if I browse your profile you will have ideals and wants and shoulds in there. I already demonstrated to another person commiting this fallacy that I could reply just as easily with fallacious amoralism to any of your oughts.
We do discuss philosophy but we aren't a philosophy forum. The Culture War is very little to do with what is just and more to do with the overarching clash of culture within societies. So it shouldn't really surprise you if your ideas are critiqued within that framework.
Having said that pragmatism is a philosophy, so pointing out that your ideas do need to account for others is a valid point.
Or to put it another way, you can say people shouldn't care when a 25yo man dates a 16yo girl. And a valid response is shouldn't is irrelevant only what actually is.
This is a discussion forum, so you don't get to control who responds or the frame of their arguments. You can simply choose not to respond if it goes in a direction you don't wish to pursue however.
You did it again. You turned a criticisim of your logic into an attempt to control what you write, and then remarked the obvious fact that I can't control your fingers or delete your comments from the forum. That is fallacious and pointless to say; it adds nothing to the conversation. You are responding to something I didn't say, with descriptive facts everyone knowns, instead of actually engaging with my position, which is normative.
Pragmatism is a valid response to a normative claim. Thats what you are not understanding.
If you don't like it, ignore me. But you said "Stop with the amoralism"
I am telling you no, I will not because it is a valid rebuttal to your ideas.
You have asserted it is not, but you have not even made an attempt to argue why it isn't.
I don't have to ignore you. I can just keep responding to stop with amoralism every time you post it in response to a normative argument. I don't have to make an argument that you find convincing. I can in fact just keep pointing out that I want to have an ethics argument, and you are responding with descriptive trivialities after misinterpreting what I said.
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