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I think the director would approve of your analysis, but I have to admit I don't know how you got the impression that Nikki's father abused her.
I meant to tell you, I went to see it partially on your rec.
I'm glad I did - probably one of the best shot and mastered movies in recent memory.
Though I have to say: I have lost my appetite for horror. It did fuck me up and make it hard to sleep. Based on the expressions of others in the theater, I was not alone.
I'm trying to figure out how much of the main actress's facial expressions were augmented with CGI, because I feel like very few people have that range.
I also suffered a few nights of insomnia after seeing the film, due to intense feelings oftfw no qt-3.1415968 BPD goth-Latina gf
Same: the whole time I was watching the movie I was thinkingfellas, hear me out .
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If you mean the cute exaggerated frowny face, some people can just do that. I can do that.
Example from Red Letter Media
Example from Your Movie Sucks
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Interesting typo. But my understanding is that CG was used very sparingly as the budget didn't permit it, and a lot of the weird facial expressions were actually achieved using makeup, which isn't very obvious owing to the dim lighting. For example, having the actress close her eyes and paint eyes on her eyelids.
Oops, fixed!
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The fact that Ian and Sarah both take it as a given that Nikki hates her father so much that she wouldn’t really care if he was dying of cancer.
The fact that Nikki hates her father but still can’t bring herself to stop caring for him, which she expresses through the made up cancer diagnosis.
The part where Nikki goes on a demonic rant implying that she’s sexually attracted to Bear because he reminds her of her brother, who her father regularly forced her have sex with. She dresses it up like a fairy tale, but when you combine it with everything else it seems pretty damning.
I must have missed that detail of the fairytale. Fair point.
I would also add that there are a lot of hints that the death of Bear’s grandmother hit him very hard and he hasn’t really gotten over it.
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