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What other standard do you intend to use then? "People said mean things to me that I didn't want to hear, therefore I feel censored"?
Sounds like that would be a bit ironic given the context.
If I say "lol would be so funny if I raped your mom" and you said 'fuck off cunt" and I go whining about how dark humor isn't allowed anymore, I'm just an idiot. Dark humor was allowed, it's just that mean responses back to me was also allowed. Rights to free speech (and accompanying it, rights to free association) do not belong just to me.
Why are you acting the 10 years never happened? Why are you acting like you haven't been linked specific examples from which the standard is absolutely clear? Why are you doing so specifically after you explicitly defended firing people for edgy jokes?
I don't mind you defending a different position, but again, who do you think you are fooling?
Government.
Calls for government to do something.
Literally government.
Government.
Notice something in common?
Private organizations are allowed to do that! Free speech is not the right to someone else's home or job offer! For example if someone tells you to leave their property cause you called their mom a whore, you get the fuck off their property. You have not been censored and your rights have not been violated, because you have no right to their property.
The first amendment is about government. If a private organization wants to trespass you for speech, they can. If they want to fire you for speech, they can. You do not have a right to seize and steal from others cause their response makes you feel sad about saying something.
What standard do you want to use that isn't demanding other private actors forfeit their freedoms?
No, noticing that the government did not do something that it happily did in other contexts.
Not only does California have a law requiring private businesses to recognize the free speech of their employees, and the NLRB require private businesses to recognize free speech rights about working conditions, the agency review held that federal anti-discrimination law instead required businesses be able to fire him.
As Greg Lukianoff, CEO of FIRE said about Larry Bushart
Now, you not only claim people are being put into solitary confinement and forcibly drugged (as you said both "solitary confinement and involuntary medication" and then also "happily did in other contexts") over legal speech in the US, but that this is apparently not that uncommon. And yet the CEO of FIRE one of the largest 1st amendment free speech organizations around, who has actively worked in the field for 25 years doesn't know about that at all.
Do you have any proof for your claim, or are you just making shit up? Because it sure looks like you are lying.
The funny part is that I agree with Lukianoff on the Bushart case. If the central examples of pro-Kirk overstep had involved jail or police presence, I'd understand and empathize with the response.
But it's not, and not just in the sense that Bushart is the most extreme abuse.
Involuntary commitment to political opposition has the easy, uncontroversial, and high-profile example of Adrian Schoolcraft, though it didn't last 37 days, so I'll give Lukianoff points for stamina there.
Involuntary commitment for pure political speech is one of those places where most of the examples you're going to reject as unverified because it wasn't examined by the courts, but for a good example that was and where the courts later found "the petition [was] . . . devoid of any factual allegations", Brandon Raub. To be fair to Virginia, he was pretty nuts! To be less fair, my comparison is to Ken White.
Involuntary medication... the TopHattingson example is noncentral enough that I'm only going to give it so we don't have someone interject, but yes, I'll admit I'm riding heavily on the 'other contexts' bit, there. Lower courts abusing involuntary medication to the point of violating the law because someone is just really annoying happen.
So if you want a mea culpa, yes, I don't have a good, clear, court-reviewed example of involuntary medication motivated solely by conservative-tinged speech.
EDIT: for solitary confinement, I'll just quote that right-wing nutjob Elizabeth Warren. Solitary confinement might have been appropriate for most J6ers that were confined pre-trial, but the blanket policy was clearly motivated by their politics.
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