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At a certain point if the bottom 30-50% of young(er) people get pissed off and poor enough, the protests up to and including genuine physical violence to seize the reins of power could be in play.
Old people can outvote the young handily, and that won't change for ~100 years given current demographics. But they're power is only on paper, a revolution, where physical power rules, is much less favorable.
I'm not advocating for a butlerian jihad against Simon & Linda, but at the extremes it is a possibility
Also seems a potential risk of a large immigrant body where suddenly they don't have any particular affinity or affiliation for the current crop of elderly people and seem more interested in bloc-voting in their own interests than native-born Westerners.
On a similar note, I am extremely curious to see how the Native American Government Funding Extraction Industrial Complex in Canada is doing in about 10 years.
They're absolutely raking in settlement, etc cash right now.
But once Canada is ~50% Indian, I'm curious how that will play.
Sandeep et al have a pretty good argument for why they shouldn't have their tax dollars paying to endlessly rebuild water treatment plants in rural Canada, they were being oppressed by the British at the same time the Indigenous people were!
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