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I was following with interest the recent discussion here on the degenerate nature of hardcore anime fandom and I find that there are aspects to this that nobody mentioned. In this comment I'd like to call attention to one of these. Namely:
I propose the argument that feminist ideology has reached a level of cultural influence in the West sometime around 2008-2012 where unironic* depictions of conventionally attractive, sexually alluring, non-girlboss female characters have become taboo in the eyes of normie women**.
*Unironic in the sense that it's by no means done for the purpose of ironically conveying some politicized message about the sad reality of the male gaze, societal sexism etc.
**That is, women that are either lipstick feminists or conform to the norms of the (surely present) lipstick feminist women in their social circle. In other words, the big majority of women, or at least of young urban women.
Since the Japanese anime industry does not abide by these cultural norms, the consequence of this is that anime as a whole is increasingly suspect in the eyes of normie/NPC women, which has at least two consequences of its own. One: the male partners and/or friends of these women, who are usually cucky and normie-oriented betas, evidently adopt the same view, which contribute to its spread. Two: this provides an incentive to notice, thematize and even embellish the off-putting manifestations of anime fandom.
I'd make two more related observations as potential food for thought from this very forum.
@urquan has made a somewhat similar point before: resolute (male) attempts to counter-signal against the taboo on sexual display in a workplace setting are intensely off-putting to normie women. (The difference here is between intensely off-putting and, well, merely off-putting.)
This comment by @WhiningCoil also caught my attention:
Considering that the Berserk franchise contains excessive amounts of brutal violence, horror and gore, and as does Game of Thrones, plus not only "sexposition" but also explicit sex, rape, incest etc., I find it telling that it was a groping scene (which, it should be mentioned, was unironically accidental) that finally crossed the line in her eyes.
And finally a general point: this entire phenomenon has no female counterpart. That is, we see no similar widespread disapproval of (more or less) goonerbait cultural material directed at women. In fact, it appears to me that there is a general push to normalize it.
From inside the Feminist Nexus - and I speak here from personal experience - even worse than the unironic femininity of anime girls is that they enjoy it, and the shows around them clearly state that this is the norm. It's not just that one of the girls is more sensitive and gentle and people-oriented and physically weak than her male counterparts, but all of them! Even the warrior girls have their feminine sides, where they go "[protagonist name]!" and cling to the guy. And everyone around them expects this! That's what the author, the medium, the whole culture surrounding the medium, believes about women, how they believe women should be. Anime is a form of art that is not only bigoted, but pushes its opinions through the mouths of the groups it's bigoted against.
Once the detector trips, everything else confirms it. The short skirts and large breasts, the useless female characters, the perverted old masters, the Class S stories, the relative popularity of shonen and shoujo manga, the relative popularity of M/M and M/F ships on Archive Of Our Own. So you retreat to a Certified Feminist anime, or you fight over the ones that were feminist enough that you got invested before they betrayed you. This is why Revolutionary Girl Utena and Madoka Magica have a certain valance now, and why all internet discussion of Oniisama e... is about how the story is gross for not going the way the watcher needed it to go so she could uncritically enjoy it.
Many, many years ago, I watched Macross: Do You Remember Love? And it took my brain apart and put it back together, because I had been raised to basically be a male chauvinist by way of feminism. You mean I'm supposed to enjoy and celebrate that there are differences between men and women? You mean a woman crying for a reason she can't explain can be a symbol of maturity? You mean I'm supposed to treat women differently than men not just because I'm romantically interested in them but also simply because of their sex? What's next, all the men are fighter pilots and all the girls love a song titled "My Boyfriend Is A Pilot"? "Feminine" was not something a man was allowed to like about women, in a way that actually implied anything about them.
I would be willing to bet my left nut that 90%+ of M/M ships are written by women
I would bet your left nut on that too.
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