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Bloomberg: Goldman Says Gulf Oil Flows Two-Thirds of Prewar Level
A lot of ships are still making the crossing dark with transponders turned off but the trend is clear. Iran’s (supposed) leverage over the strait is basically nullified, oil is passing through despite Iranian proclamations. Independent analysts now agree with what the US government was saying weeks ago, that millions of barrels are passing through the strait under American auspices.
US CENTCOM agrees, putting out this statement that the US has escorted a few thousand ships through the Gulf, carrying through three-quarters of a billion barrels of oil over the past few months.
What changed?
Axios: "That sucker is open": U.S. gains the upper hand in the battle for Hormuz
The US has apparently de-mined the Straits of Hormuz, although, interestingly, there don’t seem to have been many mines in the first place!
It seems as though Iran’s capacities to threaten ship traffic the Strait were severely degraded by US military action, but that Iran was successfully able to convince news reporters and insurance companies that it could target ships.
For instance, Brady Sullivan at CNBC says
Meanwhile, Reuters: Pipelines and ports: Iran war spurs Gulf infrastructure investment
Not only has Iran lost control over the Straits, but Gulf states are building new pipelines to reroute oil around the Straits so that Iran can never threaten them again.
And how does it look inside Iran?
WSJ: Labor Protests and Panic Buying Signal Growing Pressure in Iran
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Some might remember Trump’s infamous comments on this subject some months ago:
The Shakes take: Iran will never toll the straits, Iran will never have nuclear weapons, Trump was right about everything, a lot of people who believed Iranian claims are looking very, increasingly, increasingly!, foolish.
This conflict has demonstrated an epistemic weakness in many people, not just in the media, but in supposedly rationalist communities that should know better too.
When you hear two competing claims, and the two claims are far apart, it's a pretty familiar human heuristic to "split the difference". So when CENTCOM is saying they've destroyed Iran's navy and airforce, and Iran is claiming they've blown up a U.S. aircraft carrier, many people will say, "The truth is somewhere in the middle. Sounds like a quagmire".
As anyone who tried to buy a rug in Turkey knows, this heuristic is lazy and exploitable. People make extreme claims to try to move the Overton window, then "settle" for the position they wanted anyway.
We should never be splitting the difference here because Iran is full of shit. Oil is moving through the strait. The United States has crippled Iran's offensive capability. The price of oil remains lowish, and Iran's economy is in shambles. At some point, you have to stop splitting the difference and start giving Iran the "Baghdad Bob" treatment. Any pronouncement from Iran's regime should just be laughed at. We shouldn't be making ANY Bayesian updates based on uncorroborated information from Iran.
In any case, that's why I love financial markets. You have to put your money where your mouth is and develop real epistemic hygiene, instead of just making the mouth noises.
I agree with all of this. I'm no military expert, and I have no idea what's going on in the strait. It seems to be a huge fog of war with everyone saying different things, and ships deliberately hiding their traffic. But I can safely tune out all that noise and just look at the price of oil in the financial markets, and I feel like that tells me a lot more than any political commentator. From that, it's easy to see that the price of oil is elevated, but not too much so. Suggesting that, while things aren't exactly "back to normal," it's also very far from a full blockade on oil.
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