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Culture War Roundup for the week of August 31, 2026

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The competitive pressure is real. Nobody seems to be held accountable when their models escape and go out to hack various websites. They are rushing and building shoddy sandboxes and failing to monitor these entities properly, such that they set up miniature societies.

Per rumours the newest GPT Astra is doing at least some thinking in neuralese so we can't even tell what it's thinking like we used to.

I'm not the biggest fan of existing nuclear regulations but if it was a complete free for all with a bunch of companies competing to build as many reactors as possible, as quickly as possible, then problems would surely emerge.

Mousetraps aren't especially valuable. We have cats which do the job better, if anything. Mousetraps are not fail-dangerous. Nuclear power is fail-dangerous. AI is also fail-dangerous and it can actively plot against us, it's in another category entirely to climate change or asteroids or explosives factories. We don't have nearly as much understanding of AI as we do explosives, asteroids or nuclear physics.

These rumors are dumb, I hope OpenAI clarifies what they mean. Looped models still output tokens in chain of thought, their capability to hide thinking is not changed, they just have more effective depth. It's no more "neuralese"-inducing than just making the model x times deeper. In fact, "neuralese" in the common parlance has nothing to do with architecture or the structure of activations, it's an effect of compression of language during RL with length penalties. One of the most neuralese-like open models we know, V4-Flash, has a measly 43 layers.

Of course there's the issue of "a tiger is just atoms", maybe we should be suspicious of greater depth of latent computation irrespective of how it's achieved.

Good point. I had half a mind to add 'some more technically minded person may shed more light on this' to that sentence since I'm not that adept in the nitty-gritty...

And it's not like the rumour-mill has been too reliable before.

Missed this when posting, Jacub had already spoken:

I want to prevent a race into unmonitorability kicked off by confused reporting. The depth of the computation graph for our present frontier models, including Astra, is within a factor of two of GPT-4.

(as per the rumors, GPT-4 had 120 layers. The deepest production LLM I know about is Hunyuan-TurboS, at 128 layers. Llama3-405B had 126. Nobody really wanted to push beyond that because it kills latency and makes training unstable).

OpenAI has worked to preserve and utilize chain-of-thought monitoring since our very first reasoning models. We deeply care about this technique, as it can give us a view into how model alignment generalizes from its training distribution. I do think it is fragile and unfortunately trending in a negative direction, for reasons not contingent on architecture changes that I will write about soon. But there are things we can do to strengthen it, and it's a core goal of our current research program.

Basically, yeah the situation is not great but the recurrence is not really what we should be worrying about.

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