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Culture War Roundup for the week of September 7, 2026

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Which is understandable, but ignoble behavior.

There is no durable consensus that we are circling Charybdis. The ask here is that people like me continue to act as though we are circling Charybdis and exhaust ourselves rowing away from that apparent danger, while Blue Tribe laughs at our absurd concerns and forces us to serve them the wine we're too busy rowing to drink.

To the extent that Charybdis does not exist, we should also drink wine. To the extent that Charybdis does exist, this is not an acceptable plan to avoid it. It does not seem to me that nobility comes into it one way or the other; if you require people to enslave themselves in lifelong, futile misery to secure your approval, do not be surprised when they shrug and turn their back to you.

Correct; if the rowers are rowing us directly towards Scylla when we are not in danger from Charybdis, we are better off drinking than rowing.

One thing that needs to be asked is "how many rowers, how many drinkers".

Most people are fine with rowing if it's 90% rowers, 10% drinkers. But then we rescued a lifeboat full of drinkers, and now it's 50% drinkers on the boat. And the old rowers harangue the young rowers "I'm retired now, you need to row twice as hard to pay for me and all the drinkers I rescued. It's the noble thing to do."

Asking young white men to continue to bear the burden of society and make themselves subservient to other groups is no longer tenable.

how many rowers, how many drinkers

Everyone, not a single one.

A lifeboat of foreigners who hate us, don't care about charbydis, and just want to drink our wine and tell us where to steer the ship.

While singing the praises of the lifeboat.

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