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Not the human race. Just the male subset. Women are allowed to be as horny as they want. Men must not act like women...
No, I think if a woman showed up and did the same thing, they should go prison all the same. It is deeply unfortunate that sexually predatory behavior from women is treated even more lightly than the same behavior from men. It is just less common.
Yes, the male version of sexually predatory behavior is not treated as seriously when women do it.
The entire problem here is that you have no concept for the similarly-exploitative female behavior; given men and women are morally equal, we should expect this to be 50/50, so where's all the crime from women we're ignoring, and what does it look like?
(The answer to that question has a lot to do with "intentionally suppressing men from trying in the first place", of course; were the world fair then every single progressive teacher would be in jail for sexual interference, but we prefer feminism instead because it's easy.)
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Why don't we just arrest people who act like voluntary sex is actually bad? Aren't horny people far more victimized by such people? Like after centuries of state backed terror?
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I agree with your point, but technically culling horny men will reduce the mean horniness in the population which will reduce the horniness of women and men at the same time. I'm pointing this out explicitly because I'm getting at how arresting men for small sexual torts is nothing other than a barbaric dysgenics project. The whole point is spitefully interfering with these young men's reproduction and if you use POSIWID you get that the point must be to reshape the human race to be less horny. Because they are being targeted merely for being horny.
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