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You don't like the democrats, ok. But what you describe is not unique to democrats. Voting to give yourself free stuff is the bane of all democracies in existence, since forever. It is the quintessential "populists run amok" agenda item, not just a "gibs" thing.
Do you not see this same impulse in Donald? If so, why bash the dems then? If not, how? He is I think the most shameless of all of them. Interesting that he killed the Romney / Ryan wing of the GOP that was the only real force pushing against entitlement growth.
You can tell that their hearts aren’t really in it though. It’s like when dems act like they’re going to be tough on border security.
Roger Marshall might lose re-election in Kansas because when he was a practicing physician he sued patients who didn’t pay outstanding medical bills.
I get why messaging like that plays poorly with voters, but the only coherent opposing position is that patients should not have to pay for healthcare. That’s what dems are running on.
Well yes, people think patients shouldn't have to pay for healthcare. The only question is whether the government should pay instead.
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