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Culture War Roundup for the week of November 2, 2026

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But on the other hand, we can and do see the evidence of His work in our own lives and in our own hearts.

My ways are not your ways

You shouldn't have to use this line of argument, where you mysteriously can't provide any actual proof and defy the whole idea of proving your own case. Your God should never need clerics writing cope about how he mustn't be put to the test. What kind of deity shrinks from a test? In the Old Testament he was razing cities left and right.

It's wonderful how Christians think that sneering at these 'unworthy' wishes like wishing for steak is some incisive cutting response. Why not grant such wishes? Is your God not as powerful as industrial agriculture which puts so much meat on the table the poor struggle with obesity? Why not have the devout be capable of wishing for manna, isn't that something Christians are supposed to be capable of? Or were those relegated to metaphors since you can't actually accomplish such miracles, only intangible wishes and copes?

God's ways are doing nothing when his followers get massacred, repressed or blown up on their Feast Days. But that's totally fine, fantastic even because they'll get enormous rewards in the afterlife (but nobody can see this, only the dead know). Come on, this is cope from a deity who lacks the power to act physically in the world.

The sole power of your God is the organized religious devotion that has driven history for millennia. The Crusades, the Reconquista, The Thirty Years War... The discipline and will of soldiers can be tested, that's actually real. But he's just one force amongst many and a waning force at that.

The God I'm talking about actually created the universe, created the stars, mathematics, worldly thinking, hunger, cancer, death, cope, social constructs and everything else. If he didn't want us to think in a certain way, it would never happen.

Okay let's go back to first principles. What is your purpose? Why do you exist?

Christianity teaches that your purpose is not physical well-being, it is not hedonistic pleasure, it is not propagating your genetic material. It's not any of these worldly goals.

You are arguing strenuously that the Christian God doesn't make sense because He doesn't provide the very things He has clearly said are not important. The contradiction you are describing is between reality and this made-up version of God in your head. Again, "If I were God this is how I would see things..." It's quite literally the most basic error you can make in theology.

Why not have the devout be capable of wishing for manna, isn't that something Christians are supposed to be capable of? Or were those relegated to metaphors since you can't actually accomplish such miracles, only intangible wishes and copes?

Christians do pray for many such things, and those prayers are often answered. I've personally witnessed God's provision, even to the point of the miraculous, and I know plenty of others who have seen similar things. Plus, there is a massive body of literature on miracles and the evidence for them. I recommend Dr Craig Keener if you're interested to learn more, he has a book "Miracles Today" that covers a lot of this. There's also a lot on Youtube you can check out. However, honestly I doubt you'll do any such thing, it sounds like you've already made up your mind without bothering to look at the evidence.

Christian theology is forced to take up this incredible burden of justifying how the structure of the universe necessitates all these problems from cancer to bad equilibriums, so they bring in original sin or free will or other constructs. But there is no need for them in the first place.

Free will or the ineffable divine plan means that sometimes Christians get massacred, forcibly converted, enslaved by their enemies - despite a perfectly loving and omnipotent deity on their side. He helps in intangible, non-obvious ways for some reason, or in the afterlife where the outcomes can't be observed.

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I look around and I see no evidence of omnibenevolence in this universe, so its creator is not omnibenevolent.

The simpler solution is better. It doesn't need to invent dogmatic justifications for what's going on. How are we to know that God's plans require his followers to be immolated in Lisbon? Blind faith. And the good things that happen? These miracles are actually good? They aren't some counterintuitive damnation to bring about more evil in the long run (since we're taking on this twisty reasoning process)? Again blind faith. It's not even consistent.

Theology is cope, it's a way to find some justification for the unjustifiable, baffling people with jargon when the case is very simple. Take Leibniz's 'best of all possible worlds' - that's real theology done by real theologians. It's obviously wrong. Any idiot could easily make a better world just by subtracting mosquitoes or cluster migraines, or some similar unpleasant aspect of the world.

But theologians erect these huge bulwarks of defence against thinking clearly, they maintain that you can't judge God's action or inaction since you don't know what he's planning. Yet they seem to be very sure about omnibenevolence and love... How do they know what he's like? Because they appeal to the legitimacy of one holy book amongst many about events that happened in the distant past, when supernatural events happened constantly.

It's galactic-scale motivated reasoning, like anthropology or social sciences but without even pretending to be falsifiable, since they deny the very idea of testing their work.

It's galactic-scale motivated reasoning, like anthropology or social sciences but without even pretending to be falsifiable, since they deny the very idea of testing their work.

This is simply false. A Christian should obviously test their beliefs. Scripture says, for instance: "Do not treat prophecies with contempt but test them all; hold on to what is good, reject every kind of evil." [1 Thes 5:21-22] More importantly, the Christian faith is not a random philosophy untethered to the world, it is specifically tied to the resurrection: "And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith." [1 Cor 15:14]

You seem to by relying on this idea of 'blind faith' which, though a common refrain in pop atheism, is contrary to what Christians believe. The Christian faith is confirmed not just by the resurrection, which, being historically distant, you can certainly have skepticism about - but it is also confirmed by the miraculous work of God in the lives of believers, which you can still see today (I think I predicted correctly that you didn't even bother to Google the case for miracles).

I will repeat this as many times as I need to: you are tilting at windmills. You are arguing against your own made-up idea of God and of Christianity.

I did go have a look at the man you linked, I find it unsurprising that a Christian scholar believes in miracles. I could find a bunch of imams who believe and write about djinn. Let's see them use djinn in warfare. Let's see them act like they're truly real.

  1. God introduces cancer, disasters, diseases, mortality into the world (while being omnipotent and having the power to directly control the space of all possible outcomes)
  2. God occasionally cures them or provides some intangible and unclear assistance at an almost imperceptibly low rate, far inferior to what modern technology can achieve
  3. Everyone celebrates??

You should never even need to claim miracles. If God doesn't want something to happen, it would not be possible. Why introduce fornication to the world and then forbit it? Why have sodomy be a thing at all? Why have greed at all? There is no grand cosmic reason for men to derive sexual pleasure from buggery, nor for the human back to be weak compared to the weight of our heads and so get back pain.

By the way, you can use the Bible to argue for anything, there's so much contradictory or unclear writing in there that it can be interpreted in any direction:

Do not put the Lord your God to the test.

The purpose of miracles isn't to occasionally fix God's mistake of creating diseases and disasters in the first place. The purpose of miracles is to point humans to God.

Here's a thought experiment, I'm curious to hear your reaction. Let's assume that God wants to instill virtue in people. Should he: a) create a world with challenges and suffering or b) create a world with no challenge and no suffering?

Is Heaven not a place without challenge and suffering? It’s a ‘possible world’, as the philosophers would define it; which is to say a maximally consistent set of propositions. It only creates problems if you adhere to the axiom that God is omnibenevolent.

To your first point, you’re absolutely right. If your love of God is only conditional on the premise that He delivers you your hearts desires, this is no different than a parent who loves his children only if they do what it is he wants. But that’s the love of the sinners and tax collectors, it isn’t divine love. This is also an argument for why Christian philosophers dismiss Allah as a false God and why they don’t worship the same deity Christians do, because Islam has a morally deficient concept of God. Numerous times throughout the Quran, it details who it is God hates and who He loves.

Is Heaven not a place without challenge and suffering?

Yeah that's a good question. I'm not confident about the nature of Heaven, I know plenty of theologians with different ideas about what it will look like. For instance, I've heard it argued that everything good on Earth will also be in Heaven, including things like tennis - but tennis by nature implies a winner and loser, and effort and challenge. So perhaps Heaven will have challenges, but we will rejoice in those things, as we are told by scripture to do now on earth. There's joy in overcoming limitations and growth, so why would we expect not to have that joy in Heaven?

I’ve never developed this argument to any degree of sophistication, but I used to wonder about the egotist’s problem of Heaven. How could I (or some hypothetical person X) be happy in Heaven, while possessing the knowledge that there are other people I don’t like who also get to go there? You could argue Heaven is a place defined by moral perfection, so such attitudes wouldn’t be possible, but wouldn’t that involve changing otherwise virtuous people away from what they are such that it isn’t really them anymore? This actually used to confound church fathers like Tertullian who thought Heaven was a paradise for sadists, where you could look over the clouds and relish the torments of the damned, watching people tortured and in pain.