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Culture War Roundup for the week of March 13, 2023

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I’m having a hard time telling if sarcasm. The very idea that white people are bad and therefore we need to race swap to achieve a good culture engenders an obvious concern for people who are white. Not all that different to say blood libel and Jews (one could argue whites were majorities so different experiences but if whites won’t be the majority and even now the theme is white = evil the concern holds).

It's not that white people are innately bad. It's that they, currently, perpetuate a bad society. A bad civilization. The racial transformation of Aragorn is a step in dismantling that. Like I mention in another comment to you, the history of America demonstrates the moral inferiority of white people compared to blacks. That doesn't mean we can't change that. We can better white people. But that's a societal change that needs to be fought for like every other change leading up to this point. White people need to learn that they are not in charge by default. In order to do that they need to learn to see other people as leaders. What better way to do that than through the fictional worlds they hold so dear?

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the history of America demonstrates the moral inferiority of white people compared to blacks

I think you need to separate "African-Americans" from "Africans", then. Unless youre saying it's more moral to take (by violence) slaves and sell them than it is to buy them?

If you want to argue that the losers in African conflicts remained virtuous while the rest of the world was morally inferior (except perhaps the Irish and the Slavs, i guess), then belay my last and carry on.

Based on post history, I would recommend not engaging with this comment as if it's in good faith. I'm not sure what's going on with it, but I would stay well clear of possible bait held by trolls (green, blue, or otherwise).

He's just presenting opponent's views on their own terms imo. I agree this is what they believe. They are not 'creatively bankrupt', or 'out of ideas', they don't care about creativity, and they definitely have ideas. Art from the past wasn't of good quality or poor quality, it was just propaganda from the other side. The only doubt I have is whether he suggests actually taking control of the institutions to make people white, give them heroic roles etc (ie, his worldview is just a mirror of the woke worldview) or a critique of that worldview.

No, I think responding to "People could be doing X because of Y" by pretending to be someone who advocates for doing X because of Z is bad faith and not worth engaging with. It's Boo Outgroup + trolling. Fine on 4chan, but not on here.

Actually providing evidence that those people think Z would be a different sort of approach and one that's ok.

Art from the past wasn't of good quality or poor quality, it was just propaganda from the other side.

Wait, is that what you believe or what you think "they" believe?

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Nah he's not a troll. I think he's adopting a "woke is more correct than the mainstream" view that we do actually care about keeping whites on top of the totem pole, and should stop deluding ourselves and pretending like our objections are colorblind. I don't agree, but I'm not sure I want to counter his deductions because it seems like a convo where I'll be psychoanalyzed at every step.

EDIT Or maybe I spoke too soon...

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