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Culture War Roundup for the week of March 27, 2023

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It sure might, given solely the perspective of two adults talking to each other. However, Orders of Protection/Restraining Orders have a place in law and a history of being ruled constitutional. Something as simple as a heated conversation between an abused woman and her abuser in the supermarket can trigger law enforcement actions; there, the imbalance of power is obvious, and thus the interest of the government.

It’s not as obvious that an atheist, chief of an atheist organization, armed with a Gish gallop of Biblical imperfections, contradictions, and fantastical elements, is a danger to congregants of my church. While our congregation’s various teaching leaders do attempt to prepare the flock for the slings and arrows of the enemy, these are mostly people who aren’t primarily in the faith because of the philosophical grounding and theological intricacies of their faith tradition. (I’m a rare exception.) Some are people who came out of drug or abuse environments, others were raised by their families in a community of people (smaller than the Dunbar number) always willing to help each other. Some enjoy the songs and potlucks, others enjoy being around other people who have “cooperate” and “forgive” as their social defaults.

They thought they were being invited to “talk about their faith” over lunch or coffee, but they were ambushed by a well-prepared inverse evangelist seeking to find the root of their faith and uproot it, in an environment away from the leaders they trust with their emotional life and who they could turn to for answers to the conundrums he posed. (Keep in mind, this was a time when we couldn’t search the Internet in our pockets at a finger’s flick.) Their consent was obtained by deception, and that was enough for the situation to be considered harassment.

They thought they were being invited to “talk about their faith” over lunch or coffee, but they were ambushed by a well-prepared inverse evangelist seeking to find the root of their faith and uproot it, in an environment away from the leaders they trust with their emotional life and who they could turn to for answers to the conundrums he posed.

I stand by my claim that the government restraining this sort of thing at the behest of a third party is blatantly unconstitutional, and only accepted because of a friendly judge.

I assume his nuisance harassment on private property, which escalated to our board-recognized authority figure requesting he leave our property due to unwelcome trespassing, was the foundation of anything which followed.

I’m not privy to the details or the document, but that, at least, should constitute grounds for a restraining order for harassment of our members whether we’re a church, a private nonprofit shooting range, or a Toastmasters speech club. But it did spur us to have an official member list so that we could, for example, be listed in a restraining order as a class.

It sure might, given solely the perspective of two adults talking to each other. However, Orders of Protection/Restraining Orders have a place in law and a history of being ruled constitutional.

I really doubt you can get restraining order against meeting whole class of hundreds of people, most of them you never met.

Most probably, the lawyer talked with this asshole, reminded him of possibility of legal action and it was sufficient to shut him down.

(the whole situation is surreal, what is the point of leaving Christianity and then doubling down on most stereotypically obnoxious Christian behavior - unwanted preaching, evangelizing and missionizing)