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Wellness Wednesday for March 29, 2023

The Wednesday Wellness threads are meant to encourage users to ask for and provide advice and motivation to improve their lives. It isn't intended as a 'containment thread' and any content which could go here could instead be posted in its own thread. You could post:

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Not infrequently someone here will ask for advice on improving their social skills, and I guess this week it's my turn.

My question: can anyone offer testimonials of having significantly altered their personality through conscious effort? I've become increasingly skeptical that certain kinds of change are possible.

I am 30, socially retarded, and have tried much of the usual advice, including

  • joining hobby groups (sports, dance, music, improv, rationalists, board games) - never made any lasting friends

  • improving fitness / grooming / appearance - this is in progress and I expect I'll continue to work on this

  • talking to strangers - doesn't go well (nor particularly poorly, just awkwardly)

My concern is that hanging out with people who are not very close friends is 1) difficult, in that I suck at establishing rapport, thinking of things to say, responding with appropriate emotion, 2) extremely tiring, and therefore 3) just unpleasant. This is true even if the people are super nerdy and share the same interests as me. One has to keep track of the words, body language, and emotional states of both oneself and one's interlocutor, and that is too much for my brain to handle. Literally there will be moments when I realize I should probably stop staring at the floor and make some normal brief eye contact, and in the second it takes me to adjust, I will lose track of the other person's sentence, and therefore be unable to respond appropriately.

Roughly from 2016 to 2019, I aggressively (by my standards) sought out chances to practice socializing and attended more meetups / hobby groups than I wanted to. Looking back, I don't think my social skills improved much, and socializing didn't ever get more fun or bearable. I did, however, get better at noticing the social skills I lack. Some things I've learned are

  • the chasm between how normal extroverts experience life and how I do is even wider than I thought

  • the facility and graceful precision with which sociable people can smooth over a bad joke, off-color statement, or awkward silence is incredible

  • the returns to social skills in every aspect of life - friends, dating, career, learning, general wellbeing - are much greater than I realized

I am now trying to decide whether I should redouble my efforts in this area (which is tiring and demoralizing) or essentially give up, and just live my life in the way that is natural to me: avoid talking to people whenever possible, one or two close friends excepted, never leave home except for work and necessary errands, and accept that I'll miss out on the benefits of human connection.

Other facts about me:

  • My coworkers are brilliant, most clearly smarter than me. In general this makes small talk more difficult since the bar for a comment being passably interesting is higher.

  • I am temperamentally boring and don't really enjoy most activities people find fun, especially if they involve leaving the house. Books and movies are good enough for me.

  • I started taking Vyvanse recently, which probably doesn't help here. But my social problems predate Vyvanse.

can anyone offer testimonials of having significantly altered their personality through conscious effort?

Let's break this down into a couple of components: Can circumstances significantly alter one's personality? And can one change one's circumstances through conscious effort? Put that way the answer is obviously yes to both. Circumstances are changing our personality all the time, and we can change our circumstances through conscious effort.

The way you have phrased it makes it seem as though one thinks really really hard about it and changes one's personality through sheer force of will. I don't have any experience with that, though others might.

On the other hand, I can attest to significant parts of my personality changing over time in response to circumstances, and to my ability to change my circumstances by conscious decision making. The guy attending the party typically acts differently than the guy throwing it, but all you need to do to become the guy throwing the party is to throw a party. Throw enough parties and you become that guy on a deeper level, a more permanent basis. Think of how people's professions and avocations become imprinted on their personality. The Marine Drill Sergeant, the kindergarten teacher, the mother, the surfer, the factory floor foreman, they weren't born with these personalities they were molded into them by assuming the role every day.

Think of it as the difference between buying a bag of chips and saying you won't eat them, versus choosing not to buy a bag of chips to begin with. One is a much easier use of will than the other.

So what circumstances can you create in your life to force sociality? To change how you interact with people? I have a couple random suggestions:

-- Are you American? If so, this is probably the middle of primary season in an off-off-year election in your state. This is a boring year around me: no governor, no legislative elections, no presidential election, just some local, school board, and county level stuff. This means that every election comes down to ground game, voter contact, and that no one gives a shit so they are desperate for interested volunteers and will take anyone. These groups are starved for volunteers, find someone you vaguely agree with* who is running for local office and get in touch with them and offer to work with them. Offer to knock on doors and speak to constituents about the candidate. For the most part even if you do a hilariously shitty job, the skin-in-the-game commitment of knocking on doors will have 75% of the value anyway for the candidate. And within a few days you will have your vibe down, your game down; you'll knock on the door and know exactly what to say when they open it.

-- Seek out a leadership/mentoring role. This can be in a work setting or in an avocational setting. I'm guessing here, but it sounds like you work in a technical white collar field in a junior role, you are talented but have no direct reports, no one is underneath you in the flow chart. This has accustomed you to a junior role, taking orders rather than giving them. You need to become accustomed to command. Volunteer to mentor new employees. Teach a class in something you know at a local community college or high school. Volunteer with the Boy Scouts or another youth org. Purely formal power, power with no meaning at all, will cause people (especially younger or dumber people) to automatically give you command, give you credibility and status, just find a way to get that title and you will start to learn how to use that power. When we think of the proverbial lost masculinity of our ancestors, a lot of it was wrapped up in the Great Chain of Being, even the serfs at the bottom of the pyramid ruled over their children and their animals. Right now you aren't used to giving orders, so it is unnatural, put yourself in circumstances where it is natural and you'll see a lot of social skills blossom.

-- Go to church. Piety is the single easiest valuable trait to fake your way through, where every other hobby has some buy in, churchgoers more or less have to be nice to you. Doesn't matter what church, just do it. Worst case ontario, Pascal's gamble right?

*Yeah yeah, all you extra special bois can chime in that there is no candidate who matches your views. I used to sympathize with this view, until I realized how much of it serves to substitute fantasy for action. If you wait until a movement appears that enacts your exact worldview, you'll never do anything, but the bright side is you'll never have to do anything.