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While I agree that Team Jew is mostly non-Jewish, I call it Team Jew because Team Jew cheers for primarily one group, Jews.
Progressives will cheer for a Black man unfairly killed by the police.
Not for a Black man who knows too much about Hollywood.
Some refer to it as the myth of the golem, a creature controlled by a Jewish wizard or something.
It's not whether or not they do, it's just that I have never seen a group that calls itself Jewish that would disagree with the narrative.
Perhaps there is such a group as 'Jews for Liberty' that support Kanye West's right to call out greedy business executives and bankers.
Perhaps there is such a group as 'Jews for the 2nd Amendment' or 'Jews for strong borders'. Stephen Miller would be in that one.
They're just not getting quoted in any of these articles I can find when I look up 'kanye west jewish groups'
first article - the American Jewish Committee (AJC) / the American Jewish Committee (AJC) / StopAntisemitism
second article
American-Israeli Cooperative Enterprise (AICE) / American Jewish Congress / Jewish Democratic Council of America
Perhaps these nominally Jewish groups only contain 5 individuals and don't represent anybody.
Perhaps it's just a case of People's Front of Judea
Maybe I'm just not looking hard enough for the 'good Jew', sympathetic to people like me. All I get to see are the ones that demand I strip myself of my culture and my resources while never questioning their culture and their resources.
Bolsheviks got purged.
Jacobins managed to take down the whole French people with them, it only took them a handful of centuries to send the whole nation down the drain.
So maybe I'm wrong about that, but I don't see Team Jew having a stronger hand when they finally manage to replace all of the white goyim with much less sympathetic southern folks that have even fewer reasons to care about their past of oppression.
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