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KulakRevolt  1yr ago (anarchonomicon.substack.com)   3072 thread views

Crowned Masterpieces of Eloquence: We used to be a Civilization

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A piece I wrote on one of the most fascinating and incredible thriftstore finds I've ever stumbled upon.

The Edwardians and Victorians were not like us, they believed in a nobility of their political class that's almost impossible to understand or relate to, and that believe, that attribution of nobility is tied up with something even more mysterious: their belief in the fundamental nobility of rhetoric.

Still not sure entirely how I feel about this, or how sure I am of my conclusions but this has had me spellbound in fascination and so I wrote about it.

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While Shakespeare didn't include footnotes, he also was writing plays, not novels -- moderns will have no problem understand what is going on most of the time watching a competent performance, despite the original language.

I do not believe that moderns will understand that "censure" means something totally different, no matter how competent the actors are.

How relevant is that really to the scene though? And how relevant to the wholeness of the play? Can you still appreciate marvel movies if you don't recognize Stan Lee in his cameos, or know every reference to the comic books?

It totally changes the meaning of the dialogue. It's also just one example. Yes, you can read Shakespeare for the vibes, and even enjoy and appreciate it, but then you should have no illusion that you are actually understanding what he wrote - and in that case, there's no need to worry about future generations not understanding Shakespeare because you also don't understand him.

I'm not even talking about understanding all the allusions and references that Shakespeare wrote into his plays, so your marvel movie point is unrelated. I am strictly talking about understanding the literal meaning of the words he wrote, which is the lowest imaginable bar for any discussion of how we can "still read" Shakespeare.

Understanding what's going on overall when you see a play even if you don't understand all the dialogue is like a child who can barely read who can follow a story thanks to the pictures. For some reason, this opinion only comes out for Shakespeare. Nobody thinks that "I think I understand most of the words" is any kind of literacy in any other situation.

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