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Culture War Roundup for the week of May 1, 2023

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I'd be open to an argument that it's unusual for an American politician to sign a bill while traveling abroad

This just seems super disingenuous. This isn't just "an American politician signing a bill while traveling abroad", it's a Florida presidential hopeful signing a hate speech law in Jerusalem.

though your implied "Because Da Joos told him to" needs a lot more groundwork.

Ok, so what's your theory for why this happened? Are you just going to say the same thing but in different terms? He's trying to get support for his campaign.

As I said, I am open to the argument. You haven't made one. You just keep saying "Israel" like that's enough of an argument. Seriously, tell me that this is a first, or that no one has ever done this in any country but Israel, or anything else that would support anything beyond your unstated Dark Hinting. Is De Santis trying to curry favor with Jewish voters? Absolutely. There are, in fact, a lot of Jewish voters in Florida. No ZOG conspiracies are necessary to explain this.

Other than that one word "secret", can you just copy + paste the part of my post where you think I didn't substantiate it with an argument?

That one word "secret" is doing a lot of work here. You went out of your way to emphasize it, with a (!) and everything.

It took quite a few back and forths for you to retreat to "Okay, it wasn't secret but it wasn't publicized" and then to "Okay, it was publicized, but it's still shady dammit!"

As far as the law itself, I don't have strong feelings about it, though I am as skeptical as most here about hate speech laws in general.

The gist of your post, however, is clearly "DeSantis is enacting pro-Jew legislation at the behest of the Jews who actually run the United States, trying to make it illegal to criticize Jews." You don't say this, as you never spell out what you handwave at, because if you did spell out your actual arguments, they would be much easier to copy+paste and point out the unsubstantiated parts. But other people in the thread have done a pretty good job of knocking them down anyway.

Hence, I'm calling out the "secret" part.

That one word "secret" is doing a lot of work here.

Ok, let's try removing that word and reading the rest of the post. Do you think the meaning of the post is different? I think it is extremely significant that DeSantis is signing hate speech legislation in Jerusalem. That is worth many (!!!) in my book.

The gist of your post, however, is clearly "DeSantis is enacting pro-Jew legislation at the behest of the Jews who actually run the United States, trying to make it illegal to criticize Jews."

Would you say that's a charitable interpretation of my post?

But let's continue on. Let's say that DeSantis did not do this because Jews wanted him to. Why, then, did he sign this law in Jerusalem? What's your theory, if it wasn't to cater to Jewish interests?

Would you say that's a charitable interpretation of my post?

Would you? If it is uncharitable, then why is it extremely significant that DeSantis is signing hate speech legislation in Jerusalem?

But let's continue on. Let's say that DeSantis did not do this because Jews wanted him to.

I think DeSantis did do it because Jews wanted him to. I do not think he did it because The Jews wanted him to.

Do you see the difference?

I see a politician pandering to some of his voters. I don't see it as meaningfully different from pandering to any other constituency. You evidently see something different. What is it?

Do you see the difference?

Can you explain the difference, and explain why DeSantis signing this law in Jerusalem has no bearing on the lobbying or interests of "The Jews?" Or are you saying there are no "The Jews", it's just Jewish voters?

Or are you saying there are no "The Jews", it's just Jewish voters?

Yes, that is what I'm saying. If DeSantis panders to Christians or Cubans or Asians, do you see a Christian, Cuban, or Asian cabal?

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