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The Supreme Court is expected to rule in June on Students for Fair Admissions v. President and Fellows of Harvard College, and is expected to strike down racial preferences in college admissions. The looming decision is starting to worry people in the DEI industry.
This Supreme Court case could spell the beginning of the end for affirmative action. It’s a looming crisis for corporate America (use reader mode to unmask the article. Paywalled version here).
There's some funny stuff in the article too, for anyone who's wise enough to not bring up politics or religion at work:
If the legal landscape does change, this is a chance to empirically test Richard Hanania's thesis that Woke Institutions is Just Civil Rights Law. If the majority of woke supporters (at least within institutions) are supporters only because of civil rights law, then support for wokeness could turn pretty quickly.
I would be happy to let corporations discriminate at will, as long as there's no law requiring them to discriminate in a particular direction. Let woke capital duke it out with meritocratic techbros and see which kind of company performs better. There's a lot of iffy research out there claiming that diversity has benefits for team performance etc. but this would be the true test. I'd expect the equilibrium to be a diversity of companies with different hiring policies based on their company goals and the purpose of each job role. Maybe for engineers and accountants meritocracy is best, while for public-facing roles the workers should be chosen by their appeal to customers, including by matching customers' race and other currently-protected characteristics.
Well gosh, I cannot understand how this could possibly be. When those companies are signalling as hard as they can:
"Hey, uterus-havers! (Because we are impeccably DEIB and would never use a discriminatory and hurtful term like "women" staff or employees) We're willing to pay if you have to travel to get rid of that clump of cells, because if you had a baby you'd probably be whining at us about maternity leave, and then if the brat "got sick" or "is graduating college" then at best you'd be thinking about them instead of putting your job first and foremost as the most important thing in your life, as is right and proper, and at worst you'd even be expecting paid time off to go attend to the spawn. So we, your socially progressive owners*, are going to graciously pay for your travel costs to prevent that happening (*when you take on a job, the job owns you, you should realise that by now if you want to 'have a career')".
Now what was that verse by somebody or other?
I thought "my private life is my own affair and nobody else's business"? But now your employer wants to know all about if you're knocked up and going to 'take care of that', so they can get "applause" for supporting you with the cost of a plane ticket or however much they'll give you. Do Planned Parenthood clinics do vouchers?
Well, two can play at that game.
It's easy to portray a working life as drab and meaningless, but one can equally do so for the non-working mother. FWIW I think both are oversimple and overgeneralised.
I've always thought this was a ridiculous question. The answer is clearly "yes" and I don't think this would have been difficult for most people before WW2. Indeed, Ecclesiastes said millennia ago:
The human condition is the indignity of being an eternal soul bound to a finite body, trapped in a fallen world filled with suffering. Even non-Christians feel a similar void. I'm no Nietzschean but I sympathize with him when he says:
The default experience is to "struggle alone," to wrestle with the apparent fact that life has "no goal, no ambition, no purpose," feel that one is "buried alive" by the hideously mundane, tedious, and exhausting demands of daily life.
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