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Culture War Roundup for the week of May 29, 2023

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I think most ethno-nationalists have a better understanding of the idea, that the past and current ruling powers are not their friends, than most others. Which is why so many of them see appeal in National Socialism. To that end you don't need ideological conformity and purity from the elites. Just a strongman to tardwrangle them into doing what's good for the people.

But I agree that ethno-nationalists generally go through a sort of metamorphosis where they realize that the object of their affection hates them vehemently and wants to kill itself in the name of diversity and the GDP. If a loved one explains, with a smile on their face, that they want to kill themselves, and that nothing would make them happier, do you constrain them with force and suffer their hate or hand them a rope?

I think most ethno-nationalists have a better understanding of the idea, that the past and current ruling powers are not their friends, than most others. Which is why so many of them see appeal in National Socialism. To that end you don't need ideological conformity and purity from the elites.

Except National Socialism was, in its time, widely popular among German elites, and the movement really needed their help.

Not going to happen now. No mainstream politicians and civil servants are going to cooperate with modern NS, no billionaries and corporations are going to finance the movement, no police and three letter agencies are going to avert their eyes before NS activism, no judges will let NS go with slap on the wrist.

Modern NS dream about new 1933, but establishment of "ethnostate" in today's conditions would mean total overthrow of elite 1917 style. Be careful what you wish for.

Except National Socialism was, in its time, widely popular among German elites, and the movement really needed their help.

I don't believe that's true if by 'elite' we mean politicians, business owners etc.

I mean, no. It wasn't. It was popular with lower and middle classes, the political elites hated it and the businessmen were afraid before they were mostly bribed & coerced to go along.

The point being made does not pertain to a rise to power but an aspirational ideology. I sincerely doubt many National Socialists today are drawn to the idea because of its chances of political success and popular appeal.

It's instead about recognizing how the world moves and figuring out a way to wrestle it down to a point where it serves you rather than enslaves you. As an example, you can recognize that the profit motives for capitalist elites exist. To that end you don't need elite conformity to a cause, you just need a few motivated men with a monopoly on violence to stop by their house and kindly ask them to work towards a national greater good rather than their profit motives.

If a loved one explains, with a smile on their face, that they want to kill themselves, and that nothing would make them happier, do you constrain them with force and suffer their hate or hand them a rope?

What makes you think elite whites are killing themselves in the name of diversity and the GDP? I agree they are killing the lower classes of whites but elite white culture and elite white tastes will still be going strong decades into the future. Honestly I would say that at the moment elite white culture and elite white tastes are killing elite non-white culture and elite non-white tastes (and this is probably a good thing).

The elites are not the object of the ethno-nationalists affection, the 'people' are.

Sure, but then the object of the ethno-nat's affection has no control over what is happening and what will happen to them (the 'people' whites justly have next to no power, regardless of what society's democratic delusions may tell them), it's very much not "If a loved one explains, with a smile on their face, that they want to kill themselves, and that nothing would make them happier", they are more like lambs being led to the slaughter by a shepherd who's going to replace them with a more docile, less complaining breed.

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