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Is anyone of the opinion that even honest, non-coercive casual sex is immoral, for secular reasons? I think I share a common preference among men that I’d rarely pass up on a hookup with an attractive woman but would probably not date a woman long-term who has slept around too much (“too much” is probably decided on a case-by-case basis and there are other factors involved). I can see how that’s hypocritical in one sense. And according to my own value system, I’m denigrating the value of women I have no long-term intentions with but other men with my shared preferences might. But a certain libertarian perspective also says “whatever is honest, legal, and uncoerced is ethical” and men (including me, probably) will just have to learn to settle later in life for women with a higher body count than they deem acceptable.
So, a secular red tribe view- fornication is part of dating but women definitely shouldn’t be too promiscuous and how much is too much depends on how badly you want to date her, also casual sex is morally suspect but what can you expect from men offered the opportunity? Not an uncommon view among the red tribe.
But most hookups don’t start with the man being propositioned, it’s usually a result of them consciously pursuing a woman.
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