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Culture War Roundup for the week of August 7, 2023

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Edge cases don't need to be the basis for how we construct our society.

They are, on the other hand, excellent tests for how we think about things.

What's the argument?

The most plainly I can state my position on the matter is that I don't think I should feel morally obligated (less still, be legally obligated) to respect people's stated identities. Instead, I think my obligation to respect someone's identity extends as far as that identity is reflected in the actual reality of the individual and what they seem to wish to gain from using that identity.

If you don't like trannies just say that.

I don't have a generalizable problem with trans-identified individuals. I know trans-identified individuals that are personally pleasant, have made an honest attempt to appear to be their chosen gender, and that require nothing onerous from anyone. As the saying goes, they just want to be left alone. I'm more than happy to provide them with the respect and decency that they want (and in my opinion) deserve.

My point is not that no one should have their stated identity respected, it's that there are examples of people who clearly have fake, illegitimate identification, and that this demonstrates that not all stated identities need to be respected by either individuals or the state. Where that line is will be a matter of legal wrangling and personal inclinations, but I reject the frame that allows a literal Nazi human-butcherer to convert to a Jewish woman when convenient.

I don't think this is true, or at least it's not true in a golden rule sense. If for example you identify as a heterosexual man, but people in your life consistently refused to respect your identity as such, you'd find that pretty offensive I bet.

Explain to me how this affects me? Like all the dudes around me pretend I am gay and thus? The ladies all pretend I'm gay even though they know I am not, so they accept my dates and then make out with me at the bar anyways until the best one "pretends" her way through our wedding and kids and we die together as a totally gay man has totally tricked himself into living like every happy straight man ever. Except he lived life on easymode because he could hang out with any woman at all times (even those with boyfriends which he then could steal away if he so wanted because the delusion only can be maintained up until the boner is in your vagina). What is this burden?

Gay men can't marry straight women?

I was alive in 1999. A person who acted entirely like a straight man, but there was a weird conspiracy theory that predominated that he is secretly gay wouldn't be that badly off.

But this isn't a consistent analogy at all. Trans women who are treated like men aren't worse off than normal men, except when they lash out and act crazy in the face of equal treatment.

No in your example they are, because they are punished for being straight and acting straight (I will cede that homosexuals were, in fact, punished for gay acts in the 90s, to some extent).

But a trans woman is a man, and thus when they are treated like a man, there is nothing odd happening, and no discrimination. They are asking for a special carve out wherein they, a man, are granted the privileges of women.

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