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Culture War Roundup for the week of August 7, 2023

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The reason lobotomies were / are objectionable is that (1) they are a treatment for severe mental illnesses that make the patient fundamentally incapable of consenting, and (2) they don't generally achieve any goal that the patient wants. Basically nobody is out there requesting lobotomy.

And no one would be out there requesting to be chemically castrated if they didn't have a severe mental illness they were indoctrinated into fostering by a large medical-industrial propaganda complex.

Gender treatments for adults are able to be accurately described and consented to and can achieve outcomes that the patient wants.

They really can't achieve what the patient wants, and basically every description of them I've seen online by clinics that perform them is fundamentally dishonest.

Your objections to medical treatments and unspecified "propaganda" also don't relate to what you are talking about in regard to treating someone who has transitioned as their original gender. Let's say you encounter someone who hasn't as far as you know had a surgery and who just wears opposite gender clothing or other such markers, but says nothing about it.

This person doesn't violate any of the things you say are bad: do you call them by the name and pronouns they use for themself?

So just a regular tomboy/male crossdresser? I call them by the name their parents gave them until they legally change it. I use the pronouns appropriate for their sex. Gender is for languages.

Why aren't medical malpractice suits sufficient to address your concerns?

Because they don't recognize failed transition as a cause of action when they obviously fail and detransitioners come a calling.

Again, medical malpractice would seem to be the recourse here. We let people get cosmetic surgery all the time. If the doctor is lying about it, then sue em. I don't think you've shown any reason to treat this differently under the law from any cosmetic procedure or medicine.

You seem to be intentionally ignoring the capture of institutions. Gay conversion therapy generates more functional heterosexuals than MTF and FTM therapy creates functional females and males, respectively. Of course, this follows, because removal of homosexuality from the DSM was a purely political decision in the first place, not one based on their first principles.

If courts were routinely awarding multimillion dollar awards to detransitioners, your argument here would make sense. Instead, transition clinics are profit centers that liberal courts protect.

Why? I tend to call people the name they asked to be called absent very good reason otherwise. Your reason otherwise seems to just be spiteful.

Because it is better for them. If I don't know a person is actually named Jude when he tells me it is Xerxes, I'd probably call him Xerxes. But if I knew him as John and he started claiming to be Xerxes I'd resist until he took sufficient steps for me to accept such a silly change. For a name, going through a boring and paperwork heavy legal process satisfies me. For more than that, I demand more.

Because they don't recognize failed transition as a cause of action when they obviously fail and detransitioners come a calling.

It's still making it's way through courts. Chloe Cole (and I think a few others) is suing Kaiser Permanente, and Ritchie Herron is suing the NHS.

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