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Culture War Roundup for the week of September 11, 2023

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Ok, now I'm feeling a bit burned for trying to interact with you more charitably.

I might be being abrasive but I don't think anything I am saying is actually ill-reasoned. I believe the motte developed enough of a common epistemic culture (and everyone is high IQ enough) to speak to each other without wrapping everything in niceties and sugar. Might as well get straight to the point and save all of our precious time.

Yes. She might very well have a bad time. You have asked exactly the right person, in fact! Not only am I a woman who is unusually sympathetic to men's issues, I tried your "radical idea." I was ignored, laughed off, or generally regarded as awkward, pathetic, or desperate. One man did assume that, since I approached him, obviously I was DTF on the first date. That was very uncomfortable and I walked away feeling bad about myself.

Is this really so hard for you to imagine or believe?

It's not at all hard for me to believe.

But my observation has been what you are speaking of either happens if you are shooting way way out of your league.. or if you are a teenage girl asking out teenage boys. I strongly doubt a level-headed down to earth adult woman would face this.

Nevertheless, I never said this was realistic. Just a wild idea as to how one individual woman can "defect" and get her cake. Maybe I don't think of women lowly enough to realize that they can't individually figure this out?

I would never claim that my lived experience trumps yours or trumps data

Data is strongly in my favor. Most young men are single, not women. But that's a dead horse.

Your whole point is "please concede that women have it bad too!"

My response is.. "yes but what can I do about that? if they themselves do otherwise?"

Don't you think at least some curiosity about my perspective is warranted?

Not any more than what you've already spelled out. It's not like I am evil robot who won't concede that 16 year old girls having to look up blowjob tutorials is not optimal.

My response is.. they can simply.. not do that.

I'm just approaching womens plight with the same way all of men's plights get approached. Problem ? Fix it.

It wasn't your tone. It was your assertions about how easily an individual woman can just fix this for herself. It was the persistent feeling that you're talking past me.

Okay, what can an individual woman do?

I'm pretty sure you will converge to a solution that is 90% same as mine.

No, this is not my whole point. Sorry, I don't think we have a meeting of the minds here. I don't think we can pursue this productively any further.

Yes, this is the subset of your whole point I am interested in discussing. The rest I conceded.

It's not like I am evil robot who won't concede that 16 year old girls having to look up blowjob tutorials is not optimal.

My response is.. they can simply.. not do that.

How old are you, and can you honestly say with a straight face that you never fell for a psy-op? They're 16 for crying out loud!

I'm just approaching womens plight with the same way all of men's plights get approached.

Well... there's your problem....

How old are you, and can you honestly say with a straight face that you never fell for a psy-op? They're 16 for crying out loud!

Okay maybe I wasn't being clear enough. I mean't actual adult women don't have to do the adult women version of a 16 year old girl watching blowjob tutorials.

Well... there's your problem....

Whats the solution?