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Race to the bottom to get male attention at all? I think you are being hyperbolic here.
Everywhere I see innumerable women complaining about.. too much male attention not a lack of it! All those pesky guys sliding into their dms, bothering them at the gym, bothering them at the coffee shop, on the train, on the library, etc. Certainly of all the things women are suffering from a lack of male attention isnt one of them.
What you meant to say was. Attention from the top decile of men, who can dictate the terms. Yes attention from them will require you to race towards the bottom. But as the apex fallacy goes, CEOs and billionaires are not the only men in the world.
Ill actually make an effort post about this soon, with a radical solution that will never happen.
It's not that we need more of these kinds of posts, but you have to admit the phrasing was unfortunate. It's hard to square it with all the "don't even look in my general direction" complaints you see all over the internets.
I did consider your point. My point is indepent of that.
In that, it doesn't really matter who started all this. The only ones who can fix it are women. Because they are the choosers and trend setters.
For some reason, they don't choose in the interest of their better judgements as you claim, AND they don't set the trend otherwise. What does this tell us? That they want it to be this way. And if they don't any individual woman can "defect" not at great cost but great gain. Do you think if A INDIVIDUAL woman actually approached men [1] and wasn't maximally hostile to mens existence in matters of transmitting and receiving, she would have a bad time? Do you really think most men are asking for blowjobs the first time they meet a woman? This is a non issue for the individual woman. And things that can be fixed individually are not cause for me to lose sleep. It's like yeah obesity is a societal problem, but it probably isn't for you, you can just go to the gym.
On the male end, there is little any individual man can do. I do lose sleep over those with cancer.
So yes obesity and cancer both kill a lot of people and sucks for both of them. But talking about obesity is a bit of a waste of time.
Once again, I'm not reading past any of the things that you said, I just don't think men have nearly enough control over this as you think they do.
[1] Yeah I know RADICAL IDEA. But nothing but society is actually preventing any woman from doing it. Also at the same time men get shat on more and more as they do it.
They don't need to do this, but most of the behavioral changes that will have to fall on the shoulders of women.
I might be being abrasive but I don't think anything I am saying is actually ill-reasoned. I believe the motte developed enough of a common epistemic culture (and everyone is high IQ enough) to speak to each other without wrapping everything in niceties and sugar. Might as well get straight to the point and save all of our precious time.
It's not at all hard for me to believe.
But my observation has been what you are speaking of either happens if you are shooting way way out of your league.. or if you are a teenage girl asking out teenage boys. I strongly doubt a level-headed down to earth adult woman would face this.
Nevertheless, I never said this was realistic. Just a wild idea as to how one individual woman can "defect" and get her cake. Maybe I don't think of women lowly enough to realize that they can't individually figure this out?
Data is strongly in my favor. Most young men are single, not women. But that's a dead horse.
Your whole point is "please concede that women have it bad too!"
My response is.. "yes but what can I do about that? if they themselves do otherwise?"
Not any more than what you've already spelled out. It's not like I am evil robot who won't concede that 16 year old girls having to look up blowjob tutorials is not optimal.
My response is.. they can simply.. not do that.
I'm just approaching womens plight with the same way all of men's plights get approached. Problem ? Fix it.
How old are you, and can you honestly say with a straight face that you never fell for a psy-op? They're 16 for crying out loud!
Well... there's your problem....
Okay maybe I wasn't being clear enough. I mean't actual adult women don't have to do the adult women version of a 16 year old girl watching blowjob tutorials.
Whats the solution?
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