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Wellness Wednesday for September 20, 2023

The Wednesday Wellness threads are meant to encourage users to ask for and provide advice and motivation to improve their lives. It isn't intended as a 'containment thread' and any content which could go here could instead be posted in its own thread. You could post:

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Maybe not the right place, maybe better for Sunday, but I'm not in a great mood. What is up with senior software engineering hiring? All the job postings seem to be premised on the idea that you don't learn any transferable skills in your career, only domain-specific ones. If you want a senior position doing X, you'd better have been doing X for multiple years already. I get that makes sense for principal-level jobs where the whole point is to hire a world expert on X, but a senior still has to ramp up as part of a team anyway. Surely this state of affairs is really suboptimal, given (I hear) how hard it is to find good people. Where are the companies hiring smart senior SWEs who have been doing X to do Y and just figuring on an extra bit of ramp-up?

Lol, I wish it was only like this for.. Seniors! At Least it makes sense there.

All the junior jobs around me are asking for AWS,K8s,A thousand disjointed frameworks that no sane person should ever use in unison blah blah blah

I thank God I was born with an IQ above 130, otherwise this shit seems impenetrable/unsustainable at the pace its going for even above average joes.

While HR handles recruitment, it seems to me from the Reddit CScareers sub that job requirements are often written by programmers and programmers are extremely guarded about their jobs; they don’t want a 10x superstar coming in and taking their jerbs or making the comfortable 10-hour-a-week arrangement look obvious to their superiors. Hiring a truly exceptional natural talent is like being hot and having a 10/10 join your friend group, you may be fine but everyone now looks worse by comparison. Best to hire someone upper-mid tier.

it seems to me from the Reddit CScareers sub that job requirements are often written by programmers and programmers are extremely guarded about their jobs; they don’t want a 10x superstar coming in and taking their jerbs or making the comfortable 10-hour-a-week arrangement look obvious to their superiors.

Or programmers are more aware of the costs of having a bad cog in the machine and know that there are a lot of "programmers" out there who're basically charlatans that clearly weren't prepared by their schools or their own independent study (lots of people see programming as an easy way to an upper middle class life, no need for grad degrees or credentials)

I think fear of a bad one is way more relevant than fear of a great one.

This is likely what's affecting people on cscareerquestions which is more likely to involve angst from hyper-selectivity on the low end* (as with dating, it's the lower tier types that can't get jobs that dominate the sub and create most of the angst, the better-off people either show up and then leave when they're hired/married or just dispense bits of advice as elder statesmen).

Honestly, as someone who was a very mediocre programmer at best , I can't even blame them. A lot of people survive or just do the time in school and work without really stretching themselves or developing true experience. But it may take a while for this to become clear. People can skate for a while, depending on their role.

But the costs they impose on any project can be...substantial. Even slight delays can be hugely problematic. The last thing you want is a fucking drag you can't trust to perform tasks on a complex project.

* The conventional wisdom is that if you have a couple of years of track record you'll do pretty well in the job market from then on. (Though in Canada the glut of skilled labour may make it worse for everyone.)

lots of people see programming as an easy way to an upper middle class life, no need for grad degrees or credentials

My boss likes to gripe about this. Late Gen X and early Millennial Russian IT professionals are overwhelmingly geeks. They became programmers not because IT was the hot new thing, but because they had a PC at home and fell in love with it. Late Millennials and Zoomers, who grew up in the era of FAANGs, overwhelmingly view IT as a lucrative job. You can still find people whose eyes start to shine when you give them a complex problem to solve in the latter cohort, but they are few and far between. The majority have completed a Python/JS/testing/data science course and are probably competent in that specific area, but their competence is severely limited.