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In this episode, an authoritarian and some anarchist(s) have an unhinged conversation about policing.
Participants: Yassine, Kulak, & Hoffmeister25 [Note: the latter's voice has been modified to protect him from the progressive nanny state's enforcement agents.]
Links:
About the Daniel Penny Situation (Hoffmeister25)
Posse comitatus (Wikipedia)
Lifetime Likelihood of Going to State or Federal Prison (BJS 1997)
The Iron Rule (Anarchonomicon)
Eleven Magic Words (Yassine Meskhout)
Blackstone's ratio (Wikipedia)
Halfway To Prison Abolition (Yassine Meskhout)
Defunding My Mistake (Yassine Meskhout)
Recorded 2023-09-16 | Uploaded 2023-09-25
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Does it help if you consider that the idea is to stop people from becoming the guy who pisses on your house, by improving their lives before they reach that point?
Because, like, I get that there's a transitional period between every old system and every new system where thing are turbulent and a lot of annoying things happen. But I think we should be considering what the long-term steady state of that system looks like, not getting hung up on annoying implementation details in the first month.
Contrary to @ymeskhout and @guesswho I do feel there is a viable short term policy solution for you and people like you suffering from the problems of crazy homeless: extreme NIMBYism.
It is somewhat the policy within my own neighborhood, and luckily the cops help us enforce it. You can be a homeless drug addict living in a tent. But not near our neighborhood. Cops will pack up your stuff and move it along.
Yes, I know that this obviously just passes the buck along and makes it someone else's problem. But expecting tiny localities to deal with the problem is just dumb and unrealistic. Its Copenhagen ethics on a mass scale. Just because the problem has touched us or vice versa, does not mean it is our entire responsibility to solve it.
People should be allowed to build their own walled gardens. If there are problems that are too big for any single walled garden to handle, we have a central government. If it is not supposed to be responsible for solving collective action problems that small localities can't solve, then what the hell is it for? (I think it is for the collective looting of other people, and thus why I want to get rid of it. But for anyone that hasn't been libertarian gold-pilled, that seems like an important question to ask/answer).
It's not politically viable today, but a much better solution is YIMBYism with well-enforced standards. Want to build 100 new apartments? Go for it. Want to openly screen applicants for looking clean and being the right social class, even if there's disparate impact? Want to kick someone out of one of the apartments for doing drugs, or imprison them for a single instance of petty theft? Go for it. To an extent NIMBYism is a response to communities not being able to more explicitly police their members (and some members not wanting to), and 'don't let anyone in' is a maximally illegible way to keep out the undesirables.
This is fully politically viable in most states. The exceptions where it is not possible are well known and in the news as national failures at preventing crime and homelessness.
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Hmm, from the description of their situation I assumed they were an entryist moving into a poor neighborhood far below their inherited SES in order to get on the homeowner ladder faster (which is what I did 20 years ago, with similar results). In which case NIMBYism doesn't work because the whole neighborhood is like that and the police have already given up on it.
If it's a mostly-nice suburb with some homeless people wandering through then this strategy can work (for the people living there, as you say), but that definitely wasn't the impression I got.
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