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Suella Bravermans Tory conference speech caught my attention as it seems to more bluntly come out anti-immigration and she specifically says don’t be afraid of being called racists. Here is the key quote with a lot of other red meat in the speech.
'The wind of change that carried my own parents across the globe in the 20th century was a mere gust compared to the hurricane that is coming.'
As far as I can tell Sunak did not slam immigration as much. He did have one-nanny state policy of banning cigarettes (which I sort of support) but was also very clear on gender ideology (a man is a man a women is a women parts). A politician would not have those two policies in America.
Back to Braverman there are a few things I find interesting. The specific phrase “hurricane” seems to have far more meaning to my long term views on Europe and immigration. Along with her using the term economic migrants. Africa’s population is the one place in the world with absolutely booming population. In the next 50 or so years the amount of people acting in their own best interest and economically migrating should absolutely boom. There will be a hurricane of migrants.
The issue for Europe and I do believe in HBD is the desire to economically migrate won’t disappear because the economic gaps between Europe and Africa won’t disappear. And while some of these people will end up being quite smart and successful there will be an addition of a large low hbd population.
The end result of this would be a South Africanization of Europe. If my view of this is correct and I do think demographics are destiny then I expect as time goes by and the negatives of mass immigration become more apparent that eventually Europe will fully adopt Bravermans views. The question is will they realize this before it’s too late. Europe already has their right wing political parties gaining support all thru Europe.
I do not see the same sort of risks for the US. South Americas population doesn’t have the same boom dynamics. And the US has shown an ability to partially integrate Hispanic communities into US society. The data I’ve seen in the past has the Hispanic community eventually reaching mean white criminality levels of the US but with far lower educational attainment. I believe we should reduce illegal immigration but I don’t see the same fears of immigration as I would have if I lived in Europe.
The other thing I find interesting is the rise of Indian voices in right wing voices. Sunak, Braverman, Ramaswamy. I have my theories on this - one is a fluke, two is a coincidence, 3 is a pattern.
Article includes video of the key quotes https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/suella-braverman-andrew-boff-home-secretary-labour-tories-b1111176.html
Completely unrelated and not worth it’s own post this caught my eye today as I have no idea what it means. El Chapo’s son bans any fentanyl in northern Mexico https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/el-chapos-sons-allegedly-ban-fentanyl-production-northern-mexico
Could be nothing. Could indicate a CIA/Sinaloa deal.
Edit: wouldn’t be surprised if people find the fentanyl stuff more interesting. It seems this was the catalyst.
https://insightcrime.org/news/extradition-fentanyl-prohibition-mexico-tries-counterdrug-reset/
That Indian (politicians) in the UK have gone anti-immigration doesn't shock me. As a group, they are wealthy, well-educated, law-abiding and immune to accusations of hating brown people. They're natural Tories. Of course, that doesn't mean they actually reduce legal or illegal immigration, they just talk stridently about it.
What I'm curious about is why so many of the native Tories (Boris Johnson, George Osborne, David Cameron) were so open-bordery. Aristocratic disdain for the native proles? Desire for cheaper servants? Regular cosmopolitan posturing?
Mass migration has never been higher than under Sunak in Britain. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/5/25/sunak-under-pressure-as-net-migration-to-uk-hits-record-606000
I think you need to consider your post. You are praising Indians rulers of UK as others have done so. Doesn't this show you share some of this mentality?
At best it is just Suela who is ineffectively pushing back. But considering talk in combination with opposite action has been commonly seen by the Torries for decades and even others behaving likewise to Sulla, why trust her.
Be more stingy with your praise for politicians until they have done enough to earn it.
It probably also has something to do with why they made gay marriage legal, enforce zero carbon agenda, promoted hate speech laws, and in fact expanded the authoritarian culturally left wing state quite a bit and enforced affirmative action in the party. And entrenching groups like hope not hate as activist organisations that are powerful within the state. Oh and the fact that Cameron selected members of the party based on being culturally left wing enough and excluded others for being right wing. Before that Blair also empowered NGOs.
It also has something to do with right wingers being gullible and willing to vote for them after doing these things. The Torries have been promising for decades to reduce migration. Cameron also said he would control it. If right wingers were more intolerant like leftists and more demanding and condemning and willing to abandon political parties promoting false promises and go to other right wing parties of a more genuine and right wing sort, then maybe politicians would be inlined to keep their promises so they can keep their chairs.
Alas, unlike the never satisfied even when winning leftist, many a right winger is easily satisfied by little when they are losing.
Unlike the people here who have been praising this while it has been happening and always seen moderation and based torries, or based Indian Torries, I would recommend to people who are interested in this phenomenon Peter Hitchen's books or articles about these events who called it as he saw it. Like the Cameron Delusion for example or abolition of Britain that focused on Blair. In all honesty I have read parts of the first and articles, speeches/debates from Hitchens, so you can get some of the content in that manner too.
Anyway, talk is cheap, only action on issues like migration matters. When it comes to politicians by the results you will judge them.
I am more concerned with continuing western civilization and their cultural institutions which does include Democracy.
I don’t have a huge concern with maintaining racial purity. I have a big concern with the west importing huge amount of low IQ groups which will be a permenent underclass and if they become the majority would force political situations that occur in the Middle East and Africa.
How can you continue western civilization without western people? its an absurdity. I don't think nations should allow too many foreigners of the same race neither. But if there a little bit of diversity it aint the end of the world as that doesn't undermine the rights of the ethnic group. Note, since you are an American you can define your nation as a multi-ethnic one but that still necessitates restrictions on immigration or else the original American historical nation and comprised ethnic groups will no longer exist.
Ironically your way of thinking probably leads to more dangerous path over the idea that nations have rights. Like the ideas of groups who think their ethnic group is superior invading others. It seems you are ok with colonialism if it is done by a smarter group.
How about what is happening is bad both for the reasons you say and because genocide, colonialism, being discriminated by foreigners and local antinative racists is undesirable. It genuinely is a bad thing for people to be replaced in their own homeland and the discrimination and hatred of their history is a byproduct of said proccess you choose to align with.
You think the behavior of the Tories and friends and what Britain has become with the authoritarian hate speech laws, with the NGOs marching into power, and the public voting for less migration, not for hate speech laws and getting them. Is that democracy to you? What about elites excluding rightists from political power?
Western civilization is about much more than just democracy. You can have democracy without western civilization and you can have western civilization without democracy. And you can have a tyrannical situation that calls itself democracy, when it is an oppressive regime.
Democracy, I was taught in the past was more than just the tyranny of the majority. That supposedly it respected certain rights and principles, and were organized in respecting the rights of the native peoples such as
You cannot be for democracy and be against national self determination and sovereignty. Any regime that replaces its people fails to be representative of their interests and well being and is really wearing the concept as a skin suit having adopted a different ideology and goal. Hence the political power that enacts agendas contrary to populace and criminalizes dissent to mass migration, while also discriminating against the native populace as happening in Britain. Cultural Marxism like class Marxism which claimed to be the most democratic regime of all, is far from that. So, I am sorry but your wishy washy ways fail to preserve western civilization and have already degenerated the democracy that used to exist to something worse.
Here is a quote by someone who has been part of western civilization for you:
"However [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion."
"The power under the Constitution will always be in the people. It is entrusted for certain defined purposes, and for a certain limited period, to representatives of their own choosing; and whenever it is executed contrary to their interest, or not agreeable to their wishes, their servants can, and undoubtedly will be recalled."
I view western civilization as an idea and not a people.
I would best describe myself as a Christian and an old school neoliberal. I wouldn’t disagree with immigration at all if I believed in blank slatism.
I don’t have any issues with colonialism. But that’s because I think there are group differences in IQ.
What's the idea, and how long does it take to inculcate? Because if it's significantly illegible or otherwise complex to transfer to new populations, which seems likely, you can still break it with a population transfer.
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