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Israel-Gaza Megathread #2
This is a refreshed megathread for any posts on the conflict between (so far, and so far as I know) Hamas and the Israeli government, as well as related geopolitics. Culture War thread rules apply.
Another question, possibly illuminating, is why is the US so closely aligned with Jordan? We prop them up even more, if I'm not mistaken.
My guess would be that we have to separate our view of our strategic relationship with Israel today from our strategic relationship in the 60's and 70's when we were more reliant on the oil it's access and defense and that is the relationship that defines where we are today. Likely, once all the Boomers are out of government and it's run by Millenials and Zoomers, we'll care about a different set of global priorities. I almost choked to death on my coffee trying to imagine that world, but it's inevitable.
Jordan and Israel represent the two sides of the Middle Eastern coin as envisioned by the British orientalists of the early 20th century, whose role America eventually partially took over.
On one side were the Jews, mostly shtetl dwellers and assorted Levantine merchants, led by what was hoped to be a more civilized caste of Western European types, raised and educated in England and to a lesser extent France, who were first-rate supporters, much like the Scots, of Empire. Cecil Rhodes himself was, after all, an agent of the Rothschild family, and every early piece of lobbying by wealthy Anglo-French Jews for Israel was predicated on it being an outpost of Europe in the Orient.
The flipside of the coin was that many British and French aristos were themselves inheritors of a long tradition of orientalism, involving variously dashing Arab swordsmen, ancient desert customs, camels, the honor and nobility of a tribal culture, fanatic devotion to victory and God and so on. As the 19th century and early 20th centuries dragged on, the British were increasingly successful at having the heirs to various Middle Eastern monarchies sent to Eton and Sandhurst (quite a number still are). Jordan to some extent represents the epitome of this, the King is literally half British and descended from the colonial officer class on his mother’s side.
As the Middle East fell apart after Suez and the Americans realized the gravity of their mistake in not more vigorously opposing Nasser (which triggered a series of events that ultimately convinced the inhabitants of the region that they were once again in control of their destinies), the US tried, for various reasons, to shore up what was left.
On both sides of the coin though, the idea was that the respective ‘non-western’ aspects of the relevant cultures could be managed appropriately by Britain and eventually the US as successor state, and that it was best to keep the ‘good sort’ of person in charge, the kind who knew the etiquette at the right kind of Pall Mall club, or maybe at a DC charity gala. History may have disabused us of this notion, but it was a long time in the making.
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Another question, possibly illuminating, is why is the US so closely aligned with Jordan? We prop them up even more, if I'm not mistaken. My guess would be that we have to separate our view of our strategic relationship with Israel today from our strategic relationship in the 60's and 70's when we were more reliant on the oil it's access and defense and that is the relationship that defines where we are today. Likely, once all the Boomers are out of government and it's run by Millenials and Zoomers, we'll care about a different set of global priorities. I almost choked to death on my coffee trying to imagine that world, but it's inevitable.
Jordan and Israel represent the two sides of the Middle Eastern coin as envisioned by the British orientalists of the early 20th century, whose role America eventually partially took over.
On one side were the Jews, mostly shtetl dwellers and assorted Levantine merchants, led by what was hoped to be a more civilized caste of Western European types, raised and educated in England and to a lesser extent France, who were first-rate supporters, much like the Scots, of Empire. Cecil Rhodes himself was, after all, an agent of the Rothschild family, and every early piece of lobbying by wealthy Anglo-French Jews for Israel was predicated on it being an outpost of Europe in the Orient.
The flipside of the coin was that many British and French aristos were themselves inheritors of a long tradition of orientalism, involving variously dashing Arab swordsmen, ancient desert customs, camels, the honor and nobility of a tribal culture, fanatic devotion to victory and God and so on. As the 19th century and early 20th centuries dragged on, the British were increasingly successful at having the heirs to various Middle Eastern monarchies sent to Eton and Sandhurst (quite a number still are). Jordan to some extent represents the epitome of this, the King is literally half British and descended from the colonial officer class on his mother’s side.
As the Middle East fell apart after Suez and the Americans realized the gravity of their mistake in not more vigorously opposing Nasser (which triggered a series of events that ultimately convinced the inhabitants of the region that they were once again in control of their destinies), the US tried, for various reasons, to shore up what was left.
On both sides of the coin though, the idea was that the respective ‘non-western’ aspects of the relevant cultures could be managed appropriately by Britain and eventually the US as successor state, and that it was best to keep the ‘good sort’ of person in charge, the kind who knew the etiquette at the right kind of Pall Mall club, or maybe at a DC charity gala. History may have disabused us of this notion, but it was a long time in the making.
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