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Israel-Gaza Megathread #2
This is a refreshed megathread for any posts on the conflict between (so far, and so far as I know) Hamas and the Israeli government, as well as related geopolitics. Culture War thread rules apply.
That the IDF released audio of Hamas operatives saying it was from Islamic Jihad, but the audio is clearly faked with bad Palestinian accents and crappy acting. Why do you think the IDF would release obviously doctored audio? Stupidity thinking that no one would call them on it? Rationally making the calculation their supporters would eat it up and it won't make their detractors any angrier than they are? That maybe it isn't actually faked and some Hamas operatives actually do just talk like that? But even to me, I don't speak a lick of Arabic, the tone of voices does sound like script reading and it felt very convenient how they described so much incriminating and explanatory information in a minute of conversation, like exposition from the beginning of a bad movie. Thoughts?
The challenge with propaganda in a conflict like this is that you need the high level, smart stuff that can be at least semi-verified by autistic YouTube journalists AND the most banal, likely fake, dumb propaganda of the Rape of Belgium variety.
Look at the Hamas hospital stuff. Arabs are already the people most likely to believe in weird conspiracies, no ordinary Arab is ever going to buy that Israel didn’t bomb the hospital yesterday. So the Hamas propaganda completely worked, even though it was an obvious lie.
Israel needs both the high level technical proof, and a dumb, obviously fake “intercepted audio” call to convince the average person on the street who isn’t going to listen to a 5 minute lecture on crater size and casualty counts.
Do they really need that dumb level faked audio to convince people they’re innocent if they’re really innocent? I would think it’d just hurt their credibility
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Notes -
In regards to the recent hospital explosion, it's looking increasingly likely that Israel did not cause the explosion.
https://manifold.markets/MilfordHammerschmidt/did-the-idf-just-now-blow-up-a-hosp
I saw this however on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/alextomo/status/1714670858914894046?t=UcPxGEUM5ShnUpc8Hav3Vw&s=19
https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1714548529538953637?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1714548529538953637%7Ctwgr%5E4bbaa419eb9133e336435eb810800500af090537%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hindustantimes.com%2Fworld-news%2Fidf-shares-audio-of-hamas-allegedly-talking-about-rocket-that-hit-gaza-hospital-it-misfired-101697630817752.html
That the IDF released audio of Hamas operatives saying it was from Islamic Jihad, but the audio is clearly faked with bad Palestinian accents and crappy acting. Why do you think the IDF would release obviously doctored audio? Stupidity thinking that no one would call them on it? Rationally making the calculation their supporters would eat it up and it won't make their detractors any angrier than they are? That maybe it isn't actually faked and some Hamas operatives actually do just talk like that? But even to me, I don't speak a lick of Arabic, the tone of voices does sound like script reading and it felt very convenient how they described so much incriminating and explanatory information in a minute of conversation, like exposition from the beginning of a bad movie. Thoughts?
The challenge with propaganda in a conflict like this is that you need the high level, smart stuff that can be at least semi-verified by autistic YouTube journalists AND the most banal, likely fake, dumb propaganda of the Rape of Belgium variety.
Look at the Hamas hospital stuff. Arabs are already the people most likely to believe in weird conspiracies, no ordinary Arab is ever going to buy that Israel didn’t bomb the hospital yesterday. So the Hamas propaganda completely worked, even though it was an obvious lie.
Israel needs both the high level technical proof, and a dumb, obviously fake “intercepted audio” call to convince the average person on the street who isn’t going to listen to a 5 minute lecture on crater size and casualty counts.
Do they really need that dumb level faked audio to convince people they’re innocent if they’re really innocent? I would think it’d just hurt their credibility
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