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Israel-Gaza Megathread #2
This is a refreshed megathread for any posts on the conflict between (so far, and so far as I know) Hamas and the Israeli government, as well as related geopolitics. Culture War thread rules apply.
I think most understand that the phrase “from the river to the sea” means the end of Israel, they just aren’t willing to concede to the second order effects of that being implemented (ie slaughter of the region’s Jewish population). They would say it means a single, Palestinian state in which Jews and Arabs would live together. They would deny that it would lead to ethnic cleansing.
they just aren’t willing to concede to the second order effects of that being implemented (ie slaughter of the region’s Jewish population)
The same was said by the Afrikaners who had a far more precarious position before Apartheid fell. It is easy to say in hindsight that such concerns were overblown but they certainly did not feel it at the time (hence the massive emigration once the system fell). I don't think genocide would happen (the world would step in) but I agree that ethnic cleansing á la Karabach could happen or though we may see Israel do it in Gaza over the coming months instead.
If we're honest, both sides view the conflict as zero-sum so I don't think there's a moral lesson here. Only who is more powerful.
I don't think genocide would happen (the world would step in)
The track record of the world stepping in to prevent genocide is not actually that great. If the world is stepping in, it would be before Israel is defeated.
I have no doubt that Hamas would do their best to genocide Israeli citizens if they had the power to do so.
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I think most understand that the phrase “from the river to the sea” means the end of Israel, they just aren’t willing to concede to the second order effects of that being implemented (ie slaughter of the region’s Jewish population). They would say it means a single, Palestinian state in which Jews and Arabs would live together. They would deny that it would lead to ethnic cleansing.
The same was said by the Afrikaners who had a far more precarious position before Apartheid fell. It is easy to say in hindsight that such concerns were overblown but they certainly did not feel it at the time (hence the massive emigration once the system fell). I don't think genocide would happen (the world would step in) but I agree that ethnic cleansing á la Karabach could happen or though we may see Israel do it in Gaza over the coming months instead.
If we're honest, both sides view the conflict as zero-sum so I don't think there's a moral lesson here. Only who is more powerful.
The track record of the world stepping in to prevent genocide is not actually that great. If the world is stepping in, it would be before Israel is defeated.
I have no doubt that Hamas would do their best to genocide Israeli citizens if they had the power to do so.
Depends who the victims would be.
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