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Israel-Gaza Megathread #3
This is a refreshed megathread for any posts on the conflict between (so far, and so far as I know) Hamas and the Israeli government, as well as related geopolitics. Culture War thread rules apply.
“It’s really crazy to me that the Democratic party destroyed 20-years … worth of good will with Muslims and Arabs in just 2 weeks, losing an entire generation that was raised in the progressive coalition, possibly forever,”
I'll believe it when I see it. If Palestine is your central issue you're not gonna get much help from Republicans.
If you are a socially conservative set of voters which sees no difference between democrats and republicans on your top issue while democrats are widely blamed for the erosion in your purchasing power, however...
Trump will inevitably get questions from Evangelicals during the campaign about Israel and is going to go full “the Israelis should do whatever they want to them, they gotta teach them a lesson they won’t forget” or something, and that’ll be that. Plus there’s the “Muslim ban”, the “Sharia come to USA soon????” Fox News stories etc. Plus Trump’s immigration plan is going to at least promise (he won’t do anything in reality, but he’ll promise) to crack down on ‘chain migration’ which is one of the largest ways Muslim Americans bring over family members.
Whatever their differences with Biden, they will hold their nose and vote for him. Even sitting it out is less and less likely the more Trump’s rhetoric heats up, which it will.
It's not equal though. People like Nikki Haley are going around saying "finish them" like this is a video game. Trump moved the embassy to Jerusalem. From any Palestinian perspective, one side is much worse than the other.
Right - Biden is going around hugging Netanyahu, but the Democratic party also contains Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib. The antisemetic faction is not in control, but it actually exists in real numbers compared to the Republicans. It's like libertarians - the centre of gravity in both parties shits on your ideals constantly, but you actually have a toehold in one of them.
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I'll believe it when I see it. If Palestine is your central issue you're not gonna get much help from Republicans.
If you are a socially conservative set of voters which sees no difference between democrats and republicans on your top issue while democrats are widely blamed for the erosion in your purchasing power, however...
Trump will inevitably get questions from Evangelicals during the campaign about Israel and is going to go full “the Israelis should do whatever they want to them, they gotta teach them a lesson they won’t forget” or something, and that’ll be that. Plus there’s the “Muslim ban”, the “Sharia come to USA soon????” Fox News stories etc. Plus Trump’s immigration plan is going to at least promise (he won’t do anything in reality, but he’ll promise) to crack down on ‘chain migration’ which is one of the largest ways Muslim Americans bring over family members.
Whatever their differences with Biden, they will hold their nose and vote for him. Even sitting it out is less and less likely the more Trump’s rhetoric heats up, which it will.
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It's not equal though. People like Nikki Haley are going around saying "finish them" like this is a video game. Trump moved the embassy to Jerusalem. From any Palestinian perspective, one side is much worse than the other.
Right - Biden is going around hugging Netanyahu, but the Democratic party also contains Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib. The antisemetic faction is not in control, but it actually exists in real numbers compared to the Republicans. It's like libertarians - the centre of gravity in both parties shits on your ideals constantly, but you actually have a toehold in one of them.
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