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Israel-Gaza Megathread #3
This is a refreshed megathread for any posts on the conflict between (so far, and so far as I know) Hamas and the Israeli government, as well as related geopolitics. Culture War thread rules apply.
Think they may do a couple more big raids like this and then call it a day. Saves a tiny amount of face for the government saying they were going to go in and destroy Hamas but isn’t an actual occupation which “ex-IDF” and “ex-Mossad” types are now openly briefing the Israeli and Western press as a suicidal move.
Man Israel was the last country I'd have expected to wuss out under globohomo pressure. Just go in, take control and make it known to the Palestinians that there is nothing they can ever do which would make the Israelis leave, so they better get used to a life with the Jews in charge (this is equivalent to removing your steering wheel and throwing it away in a game of Chicken) where any violence will get you branded as a hooligan/lout in the eyes of the state and treated appropriately. Give it 2 generations of this + a generous dose of the alkahest of modernity and what remains of the palestinians will be little different to low human capital occidentals, still a burden on society but by and large placated like your average domesticated westerner.
I'd have expected to wuss out under globohomo pressure
The end of the end of history may have been greatly exaggerated. Even the one militarist ethonationalist state Westerners can vicariously live through is getting cucked.
and make it known to the Palestinians that there is nothing they can ever do which would make the Israelis leave, so they better get used to a life with the Jews in charge
If Israel cannot easily go into Gaza after Jews were murdered and raped on live TV, they're not going to be able to do what it takes to "convince" Palestinians (or at least Hamas) to "get over it".
But I can see an occupation quickly convincing Israel it isn't worth it, while convincing (more) Muslims that it is very much is to fight Israel.
Even the one militarist ethonationalist state Westerners can vicariously live through is getting cucked.
I think most westerners who are ethnonationalists don't really have a positive view of Israel. It isn't hard to understand why, because the existence of organisations like AIPAC and the actions of people like Frank Lowy are the sort of thing they're violently and diametrically opposed to. I don't spend much time in those circles, but a quick glance at the ethnonationalist right at the moment reveals a lot of responses to the conflict in the vein of "Alex_Jones_sipping_champagne.gif"
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Think they may do a couple more big raids like this and then call it a day. Saves a tiny amount of face for the government saying they were going to go in and destroy Hamas but isn’t an actual occupation which “ex-IDF” and “ex-Mossad” types are now openly briefing the Israeli and Western press as a suicidal move.
Man Israel was the last country I'd have expected to wuss out under globohomo pressure. Just go in, take control and make it known to the Palestinians that there is nothing they can ever do which would make the Israelis leave, so they better get used to a life with the Jews in charge (this is equivalent to removing your steering wheel and throwing it away in a game of Chicken) where any violence will get you branded as a hooligan/lout in the eyes of the state and treated appropriately. Give it 2 generations of this + a generous dose of the alkahest of modernity and what remains of the palestinians will be little different to low human capital occidentals, still a burden on society but by and large placated like your average domesticated westerner.
The end of the end of history may have been greatly exaggerated. Even the one militarist ethonationalist state Westerners can vicariously live through is getting cucked.
If Israel cannot easily go into Gaza after Jews were murdered and raped on live TV, they're not going to be able to do what it takes to "convince" Palestinians (or at least Hamas) to "get over it".
But I can see an occupation quickly convincing Israel it isn't worth it, while convincing (more) Muslims that it is very much is to fight Israel.
I think most westerners who are ethnonationalists don't really have a positive view of Israel. It isn't hard to understand why, because the existence of organisations like AIPAC and the actions of people like Frank Lowy are the sort of thing they're violently and diametrically opposed to. I don't spend much time in those circles, but a quick glance at the ethnonationalist right at the moment reveals a lot of responses to the conflict in the vein of "Alex_Jones_sipping_champagne.gif"
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