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Wellness Wednesday for November 8, 2023

The Wednesday Wellness threads are meant to encourage users to ask for and provide advice and motivation to improve their lives. It isn't intended as a 'containment thread' and any content which could go here could instead be posted in its own thread. You could post:

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Another test for the Motte:

The Moral Foundations test

I'm listed as being closest to libertarian, which I will admit isn't entirely incorrect, even if I'd prefer to term myself a classical liberal with libertarian tendencies. Ideally I'd prefer a test that broke things down in a more granular manner, but I suppose of the options available here, I can't complain too much it lumped me in with the libertarians.

My results below

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Care 83% Loyalty 17% Fairness 67% Authority 0% Purity 33% Liberty 100%

Your strongest moral foundation is Liberty. Your morality is closest to that of a Libertarian.

nice, 0 auth, 100 liberty. I did treat every question as binary. Didn't know I was that caring, but I guess if there's no cost involved, I technically care.

I would say that I highly prize fairness, I just have a different definition of it from the one used in the poll.

For example, I see nothing/little wrong with the manager privileging the prettier intern over the more competent one (this is grossly true in practise, see the halo effect, but that's orthogonal to the issue of whether that's good). Sure, I can agree that focusing on looks overly much over competence in an employee might be an example of misalignment from the idealized version of themselves that would be best for a business, but given that the two of them only had a minor difference in terms of competency, I don't particularly care. I see nothing wrong with women who opt for the casting-couch route for getting ahead either.

And depending on the job, being attractive might well be extremely important, people are more likely to return to a restaurant with a pretty and flirtatious waitress, even if she might occasionally get an order mixed up, and that's broadly true in most fields, especially anything people-oriented like sales.

Sure, I can agree that focusing on looks overly much over competence in an employee might be an example of misalignment from the idealized version of themselves that would be best for a business, but given that the two of them only had a minor difference in terms of competency, I don't particularly care.

My view on the matter seems common in practice, but uncommon to articulate, which is that being around attractive people is more pleasant and that all else equal, I would always choose the more attractive person. In the United States, so many people are grotesquely fat that it's easy to opt into being way more attractive than the median simply by being reasonably physically fit, which also makes attractiveness a marker for character.