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"Cringe" is a super useful word, IMO. So is "creep". These words occupy the space that "gay" and "lame" used to occupy before they were cancelled.
The best way to defeat a label, of course, is to own it. You want to call me a Yankee Doodle Dandy? That's cool. I'm the gayest, lamest, Yankee Doodle Dandy you ever saw.
Still, in 2023, no one wants to be cringe or creepy. These words still have power.
You know what was cringe? Alt-right people dressing up in Hawaiian shirts and carrying Tiki torches. You know what's not cringe? Bill Ackman waging a crusade against Harvard wokists.
Wait a second, you say. Who gets to decide what is cringe, and what isn't?
Answer: The Elite. The elite gets to decide who is
lame and gaycringe and creepy and who is not. Control of the narrative is what defines the elite.Do you see where I'm going with this? Richard Hanania does. In one of his less annoying pieces he makes a great point about the possibility of a Jewish realignment.
When you correct for IQ, when you correct for tribalism, Jews are something like 30-50% of the elite population in the US. Look at university presidents, look at cabinet members, look at Nobel Prize winners. You're bound to notice something.
Jews are under attack in the Western World right now. We are seeing the largest outbreak of anti-semitism since WWII. And it's the far left that is responsible. If, and it's a big if, this results in American Jews abandoning the left, it could end with the biggest political realignment since the 1970s. Already we see the the strands of a nascent movement among the cognescenti. Is an intellectual, philo-Semitic conservative movement possible? I think, surprisingly, the answer is yes.
Populists are cringe and creepy. Elite realignments are cool and edgy. The fashion barber pole has made another rotation and the mustaches are slightly less ironic.
Maybe it's just my own online milieu but my impression is lots of people are already "owning" "cringe" as a label. I see memes about embracing being cringey. When I read stories people tell about some third party X cringing or feeling embarrassed at the behavior of some third party Y it's generally made clear X is a bad person for reacting this way. This seems, to me, like a label that is already well on its way out.
That aside, I'm not sure I agree that there is some "Elite" that decides what things are "cringe." Things being cringe seems much more like a subculture-relative inter-subjective agreement. What is cringey to one subculture may not be to another. I rarely see anyone I think of as "Elite", in either a subcultural context or a broader social context, deciding what is cringey and other people seeming to take their cues from them. The notion of what is or is not cringe seems like a much more bottom-up phenomenon. Something is cringey when that something causes you to feel embarrassed for the person doing the thing, or to think they ought to feel embarrassed or ashamed. It's necessarily a subjective evaluation.
As to Jewish re-alignment, I think it's remarkable Hanania cites polling data for so many parts of his piece but not for what American Jews actually think of Israel. For example, here's an NPR article summarizing a poll from the Jewish Electorate Insitute:
If Jews are concerned about anti-semitism the evidence as of last month suggests they will become more Democratic, not less.
60-22 Biden-Trump is much less favorable to Biden than their vote at the last election, surely.
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