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They can emigrate. And besides the war is popular in Russia.
If a person decides to be a soldier then their path is their choice. Even if their a conscript they can surrender to Ukraine. These options might involve some risks but they do have options. You act like they are non playable characters.
This kind of reminds me of those free range eggs where the chickens have a 2x2 patch of grass that they could theoretically use but almost exclusively don't.
It's a way for people to completely negate the moral worth of another person. Why didn't the Confederate soldiers desert? Why didn't the Nazi? If they didn't surrender, fuck it, they deserve to die. After all, 1% did the "right thing".
Notice, however, that this assumes there even is a "right thing". Had the Germans won, perhaps they'd be arguing the same from the opposite perspective.
Or perhaps in 50 years, any non-vegan will be similar perceived as a moral monster. After all, there are some people today who are vegans. I don't know. I just err on the side of not killing hundreds of thousands of humans unless there is a clear and obvious reason why it's necessary.
In any case, I think we're getting sidetracked. We should end this war for the sake of the Ukrainians even if Russian lives have zero value to you.
Does Putin? No, it's us, halfway around the world, that are supposed to care more about his people than he does. Well, if the abysmal performance of his army have now reduced that murderer’s threats to bleeding on us, let him.
No of course not. He is indifferent to human suffering. I am not. I don't value Russian lives 1:1 with American lives. And certainly not 1:1 with anyone I care about. But I do think they have some value.
Because maybe Ukrainian lives have value even if Russian ones don't.
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Ukranians have agency. If they wanted to end the war then they could end the war. If they don’t have political power then they can emigrate.
To be honest I always take views like yours as a desire to see the US regime to lose and not some real belief that it isn’t a good fight and the care for a Ukranians is just a justification for seeing team pride lose in the Us.
Completely wrong. I am a patriotic American. US values are better than Russian ones, and I want the US to win. I just care more about the human suffering than I do about some abstract strategic goal.
If you press me, though, I don't care about the war all that much. I care about the US much more than Ukraine or Russia.
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The men cannot emigrate. I do think the wide use of conscription morally complicates our assistance and wish they would not use it.
Not the biggest fan of conscription either.
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