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This thought occurred after Christmas this year during a few activities where family members wanted to play a game, so they pulled up a YouTube video to demonstrate how a thing is done, and it was incredibly gross.
99% of modern kids will never have the ability to be forgotten- parents post their pictures online when they're not able to give consent, including embarrassing and compromised photos. This includes YouTube videos of moms putting their daughters in compromised positions and posting them on the video site.
Such videos are easy to find- the mom often speaks, and their prepubescent girls do a seemingly-innocuous activity. Those girls will always have those videos on a stranger's hard drive at best, or at worst, end up as data used for ai generation.
I'll note that I don't have a proposed solution to this. The laws on child-porn already exist, but this content skirts the edge of acceptability. The girls are usually 10-13, and doing an innocuous activity- like playing pattycake or ring around the rosie, usually in mostly-acceptable clothing.
When you stumble on one such video, you can tell what I'm talking about. It's the camera angles.
For this reason, I come to TheMotte- have you seen the videos I'm talking about? What do you think about them, and how would you evaluate whether or not such content is okay to post online?
If you have kids, do you worry that there's some random perusing Instagram or willing to train ai on them?
After seeing these things, I can't get it out of my head, nor can I come up with a reasonable solution.
I haven't seen anything like your post mentions. But it reminds me of hearing about a few test suits where children sued their parents for invading their privacy by sharing essentially their entire childhood online.
I wonder if in the future we'll have legal codification restricting parental sharing rights, or if it will segment along class lines like so many other things.
I also wonder about what kids from families like Chris Ballenger's, whose family are streamers, will think of this 20-30 years from now.
I think there's a decent amount of precedent that would entitle the child to claim at least a portion of any money earned through the use of their image.
So the parent would be expected to have a restricted account into which the earnings go and this gets turned over to the child when they turn 18 (reasonable amounts could be deducted for the child's benefit in the meantime).
For 'mere' invasion of privacy I'm not sure what the damages would be.
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