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Small-Scale Question Sunday for January 14, 2024

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After occasionally reading NHI/UAP posts on X and 4chan, and of course in here when it comes up, I’ve had a thought that I’ve not seen expressed.

The conventional take is that any disclosure will have earth shattering ramifications for the religions of the world. That evidence of NHI would result in people doubting their faith, their religious leaders, and their belief that humans have some primacy in the universe. Basically that it would have catastrophic results for religion.

I expect the exact opposite would happen. I expect that materialists, “Scientists”, the “IFL Science” crowd, debunkers, and Atheists would be the ones that will be least likely at accept a new paradigm.

Religious people by definition are more open to metaphysics and they’re also quite used to a world where we have beliefs in opposition to the mainstream. I have no doubt that any NHI as a concept would be integrated into existing religion without all that much trouble.

As for the Science crowd, the existence of NHI would necessarily mean that the story they’ve defended for their entire lives is either wrong or incomplete. We’ve seen how that’s worked out on other topics recently. I expect no amount of evidence presented would ever be enough. I supposed that this would depend on exactly what is being disclosed and what beliefs are violated. Learning that FTL travel is possible would be quite different from the inter dimensional travel that’s been suggested lately. It would also depend on the exact mechanism of disclosure. If TPTB were to get the prestigious journals and community influencers on board first and in a systematic way, people would just get their normal software update so that’s they’re on the right side of The Current Thing. No different than if the Pope told us Catholics that NHI were fully in communion with the Church.

Long story short: I believe the conventional thinking that NHI would kill religion is severely outdated. Perhaps this was true at one time when religion was the dominant societal meme. No longer.

Well, I think that IFL science people are likely to be shocked a bit more because I get the sense that they don’t really like science or even really understand how science actually works. What IFL-science types actually like is the ability to use the authority of “science says” to smugly push their pet theories and fantasies. So when something comes along that cannot fit into their narrative about the universe, they’re not going to be able to understand it, they’re going to be mind blown because they have no idea what science is or how it works or what exobiology is about. They think it’s Star Trek aliens with bumpy foreheads, who are just like us but higher up on the Kardishev scale.

Religion has a better chance, depending on the religion. I don’t think the Jews would care. Buddhists would see this as more life, no different from Earth life. Pagan and Hindu world views really don’t forbid aliens. Christians and Muslims might be mind blown depending on what they believe about demons and angels.