MaiqTheTrue
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I don’t think this is true. We make the appropriate noises, but Theres just no way to say that we treat the Arby’s employee as an equal to the MIT professor. The latter is given all sorts of deference in most situations.
I mean I think everyone should find their own way. The year (provided it’s not too modern) is just there to serve as a sort of anchor, which I think gives a much better foundation for making decisions on what your technology should look like. If you took 1980 as the norm, then you’d start with things like antenna TV channels, using the phone only in one room in your house, etc. I chose 1946 because it was early enough to make me have to rethink the ways I was using technology.
I generally dislike other methods of detox because they tend to not give any sort of baseline of what “normal and necessary” technology looks like. Cal Newport allows the individual to use any “necessary” technology. Problem being that if the technology is something you can get psychologically hooked on, you’re going to be looking for an excuse to deem it necessary during the process. It seems like letting a problem drinker “drink when they find it necessary.” It won’t work because the person is not in enough control of their use of technology to be deciding whether or not they need a given technology. The other objection is that you can use some things with rules — which fails because the creators of those platforms only make money by keeping people on them as long as possible.
I mean okay, it would still be a bit harder than just hopping online, as first of all you have to buy all those papers or physically go to a coffee shop to get them. And as such, someone doing that would incur a cost in time and money, and if you’re discussing those stories in a coffee shop, you’re at least talking to other people in your area who you actually know. Coffee shops are not like Reddit or even Motte. In a coffee shop, the other person is someone you know and someone you’d be looking at and know that you’ll see him again in other contexts. Even here, I don’t worry about not offending anyone here simply because while I recognize your name and writing style, I don’t know you like I know my neighbor or friends.
I mean the biggest negative for most of the DC elite is that Trump thought of it and is building it with his own money. The arguments about the Rose Garden feel flat mostly because nobody really cared about the Rose Garden until the Ballroom came up. All of a sudden, the Rose Garden became significant and full of history and so on.
It’s not really though. I’m a traditionalist in most respects. There are a lot of places where I disagree with people here, especially the Groyper leaning atheists, some of HBD (at least where it’s assumed to be self evidently true without mentioning potential confounding factors like environment and nutrition and education), or tech bros who assume that turning everything over to a chatbot will naturally create utopia.
I don’t think that it’s possible for any collection of people who talk with each other for a long time to not reach a sort of consensus on main issues or at least reach the point where trying to argue about it is just no longer interesting.
I don’t think I’d make any changes other than require the person who files the divorce to have an actual cause — cheating, abuse, neglect, addiction, etc. before they can just file the papers and court-fuck the other person out of a good deal of the family assets. Maybe I’d require some evidence that said party tried to work out the differences that exist. I don’t see that as making a woman property, maybe you do, I don’t know. I see it as providing the stability for the family that allows for having and raising healthy children, knowing that you aren’t one lost job or ten pound weight gain away from losing your family.
I think this is true, and honestly I think the best thing is to simply pick a level of technology use that fits. I mean honestly other than this place and I’m trying to learn to blog, I mostly limit my internet to radio and podcasts. It’s actually an improvement over indiscriminate of the internet. And it started from reading about live in the 1940s and following a few video blogs about people trying to live life for a week or a month as if it were 1942 (in Britain). I tried it out because I thought I was using the internet too much, and tbh it is an interesting experiment because it has improved my life in ways I didn’t expect.
If you don’t want that, I suppose you could go more modern. But even simple things like having one TV and one tower style computer where you do all the internet stuff and keep it in a public place in the home would probably work. It’s what happened in 1990. It was pretty good.
If anyone here wants the complete story I’d be willing to do an effort post on the experience and the things that it changed.
I think a lot of it is that conservative politics is basically defense. A reactionary party is something different trying to remove a progressive idea and replace it with something that was common in the past. No one can win a game by just defense, so of course in a contest between progressive ideas trying to make a change and conservative values trying to say no. A progressive agenda that wins once is going to be ahead of a conservative agenda that prevents 99% of those progressive ideas.
If their kids are notably better off, mentally healthy, successful, healthier, and more socially active than their smart-phone counterparts, people will eventually jump.
I mean define “better”, because I’m generally social media negative and I don’t see it making life better in any sense that I can consider “the good life” as it existed in the before times. Kids don’t seem to spend as much time really socializing offline, playing pickup games, having healthy hobbies, and so on. Even adults, a lot of times they don’t spend time talking to other adults in work downtime, they are generally in their phones doing some form of social media or games. How is that a better life? How is a loneliness epidemic good for American society? How is it good for kids or adults to get less exercise, spend less time socializing, etc?
To me the good life is one that’s fairly simple and balanced. A person should be spending time with others, spend time being active, have creative hobbies, and have a good enough job to live on. The phone seems to eat most of the non-working hours for a good number of people around me.
The issues would be mostly in work arounds which both the kids and the companies would want to subvert. If you trust a kid to not immediately try something like that, you’re not around many kids.
The chattel thing is overwrought imo. But I think as policy, it’s rather better to target tge things that create stable and healthy societies rather than just “hedonistic capitalist consumption” as the end game. I don’t think anyone wants to be chattel in any sense. Heck, most people don’t want jobs, or to pay taxes, or to be governed by laws or institutions. The human being is an anarchist at heart, as can be seen by observing small children.
Of course the problem here is that a society run in that manner will very quickly become a society that nobody wants to live in. A society in which marriage is easier to end than most business contracts is one in which nobody wants to marry, and even among those who do, would be somewhat reluctant to have kids because they rightly worry that the marriage that makes the family stable enough to have children is not stable at all.
This isn’t much different from other problems. When a society decides that it wants to give support to people who don’t want to work, it finds it difficult to maintain itself. Nobody wants to clean sewers or pick up trash or work in a warehouse. Unless hunger compels them, those jobs won’t be filled. But if those jobs are not filled, you’ll live surrounded by garbage and sewage and the diseases that come from living in filth. If you decide you don’t want taxes, you will live cheaper, but there’s no police to call, the roads are not paved, and if some other country invades, it’s down to you and your neighbors to fend those people off.
Living in a civilization requires trade offs. And you can’t just think about it as just “I don’t want that restriction,” but in terms of what life wou be like when that restriction is gone for everyone. And I think we see the results. Fewer children, fewer families, and more loneliness is what you get. Is that a reasonable trade for the ability to dump your husband anytime you feel like it? I think I want a society with stable families and plenty of kids.
I’m going to level with you on my sense of this. I think Ukraine and Iran are both opening shots of a soon to be much much bigger war. The same characters are involved in all of them — USA and somewhat European powers, and Russia, China, and Iran. The goal is more or less to reduce capacity for the RCI bloc to project power. So far, you are correct that it’s a loss, but I don’t think it will stay that way. Keep in mind that most conflicts go on for years so knowing how it’s going in two weeks is impossible.
I do think the war is necessary in the sense that unless the world understands that when we threaten, we not only mean it, but will destroy things, and remove leaders, then it creates the idea in most states heads that we are paper tigers. We either prove that we can and will back up our will with force, or we end up having to fight more often because the rogue states are not afraid to challenge us or attack our Allie’s. If Trump has done one thing for American military, it’s that because he’s not afraid to use the military, people understand that it’s a real fighting force, and that if you mess with us, you’ll be hurt.
I don’t see why video generation is a canary. The ideal use case for AI is in business applications, not generating weird videos of copyrighted characters doing random things. Sora was at best a sort of novelty act, something to show off the potential of a technology, much like the chatbots. When even non-tech people are able to use it, and do kind of cool stuff with it, it generates demand for the product in other contexts. Getting sora to generate Garfield in a fighter jet, eating sushi in seconds puts it in the heads of people making business decisions that AI can do a lot of creative and inventive things quickly.
I kind of agree, though I’ll add that things like electricity, printing presses, the steam engine (which was a Greek toy in the classical era). Its future will depend on whether or not someone figures out what to do with it, and there are millions trying.
I mean I’d buy it if there were widespread interest in the kind of politics that ordinary people could understand and affect them much more than the federal government issues that people spend time arguing about. Nobody cares about the school board meetings, zoning committees, local or state government. They argue about stuff that they have no control over, and they never bother to do anything to actually understand the situation.
I’m not against people making their own choices. To be clear, I think the best model in the entire affair was Sweden who didn’t enforce laws forcing people indoors and forcing businesses to close. Such things are possible— give people proper information and the tools they need and they will find their own balance. If you live with someone at risk, the strongest measures make sense. If you’re a 21 year old co-Ed living in a college dorm, you can do anything you want without too much worry. And you can easily set yourself up to prioritize one thing (like your business) or another (your personal safety). We do this all the time, in pretty much every other context.
But the idea of the state enforcing the choice, the state deciding what I can do with my time, where I may shop, work and play is not freedom and in fact pretty tyrannical. Free people do not need permission from the state to move about, to work, play, socialize, or shop. The state, in a free society must get permission from the people to place restrictions on the people. The state doesn’t get to just decide by fiat that something is so dangerous that they get to decide what the people get to do until the state decides the danger is past.
To add to your first point, the third factor of most successful movements is that you can reduce the philosophy or economic system or social movement to some single sentence meme. In religion, you get things like 5 pillars of Islam, 5 Solas of Calvinism, the Buddhist Noble Truths. In politics, it’s stuff like slogans (in Marxism it’s “from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs”, in Woke it’s generally “Love is love.”). Or maybe some simple that you can spend on a poster or meme or in an elevator pitch. Nuance is poison to the popularity as it makes it hard for a person to easily understand and explain it to others. Love is Love is easy to understand and explain, it fits on a poster.
I think you’re correct that the claims of “temporary measures” was why people didn’t rebel. It’s how most tyrannies begin. No dictator has ever marched to the steps of his Capitol claiming that he’s going to permanently end all civil rights and liberties, it’s always claimed as a temporary measure needed to meet some crisis and of course everyone should go along until the danger is passed. Humans are simply not built for recognizing that first step as the danger it is. I think most of it goes back to our beginning as humans in tribes. A claim of lions in the bushes turns off the rational brain and moves humans back to Stone Age tribes where the strong guy will save us if we do exactly what they say.
It’s one reason I am democracy skeptical. Most humans are better off being a follower and not suited at all to lead or build or invent. We are 90% peasants and a couple of inventors and thinkers and leaders. Why keep asking people to participate if they cannot understand the simple stuff?
You can aim for it, but the planet is finite, so im not convinced you can just make large amounts of everything available. Take housing. If you’re going to ensure everyone has access to a nice home of 3-4 bedrooms and maybe 1/8 an acre of land you are limited to the inhabitable land in the USA and even then you need to be near places with jobs. You basically cannot do this. You can maybe give everyone a car, or maybe cheap consumer goods.
I mean I don’t think he’s going to TACO there. If he were, he would not be proudly shouting that he intends to do that. He’s perhaps TACO over tariffs in the past, but this is different because he’s being very clear about what he intends to do, and he’s positioning the thing so that the west looks absolutely weak if they don’t force the straits open. Add in that we’re mere months from midterms, and the public isn’t going to be patient if gas prices stay high, and inflation goes up by 10% in a month etc. It’s a situation where if he doesn’t get a big win quickly, the whole thing can blow up in his face. Backing down isn’t going to fix this.
I think this is a place where a lot of academics sort of create their own problems. When they sort of hold out the idea that you have to be able to read dry academic texts and have a university degree to do real [subject] it creates two problems.
First, it opens the door to frauds who want to play fast and loose with facts in order to create pseudo-academic lite texts. Most of the Pop-Physics and Pop-Philosophy stuff contains serious enough distortions that you are likely to end up with a false sense of how these subjects actually work. A lot of woo has come out of pop physics books trying to explain quantum mechanics or astronomy, particularly around things like time travel or quantum mechanics or space travel. Michio Kakaku is simply terrible at telling people what physically is actually possible and realistic as a possible future.
Second, it creates a situation where most people think of those subjects as impossible to understand and study. People think history is boring because they think it’s dry historical texts and dates.
So you deliberately destroy the economy so that nobody gets anything above bare survival? The issue is that competition for resources in a situation where the people involved have enough differences to matter means that they become much more tribal than they would otherwise. And as such it’s inevitable unless you find a way to always either have absolutely nothing available to fight over, or so many resources that everyone can have everything they want and still have enough left. If you’re not in either of those conditions, you’re going to have tribalism.
Integration sort of worked in the 1960s because it was part of the American golden age in which everyone could reasonably expect that a modicum of effort would allow them to own a house and a car and their kids could go to an affordable college and land a white collar job. In 2026, that’s no longer the case, homes are out of reach for most people, secure jobs are hard to get even as college becomes virtually unaffordable for most people. In that Situation, it’s easy to fall into tribalism and work to make sure that whatever resources available go to people like you, rather than some other tribe.
I don’t see why you couldn’t have a situation like in Orthodox Christianity where national churches are granted a degree of autonomy in local matters and cultural practices while being obligated to uphold the things that the orthodox churches have declared dogma or required practices.
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I’m sort of mixed on the @self_made_human post on space exploration. While im sure that if everything turns out to work out as he assumes (costs continue to fall, colonies can eventually be self sustaining, and that eventually there will be value to extract from the colonies) it’s still probably at least several centuries of spending about 500 million a cosmonaut to build these colonies. The problem, to be blunt is even if it all works there are lots of other ways to use trillions of dollars besides trying to build those colonies. You can give the entire population of the USA universal basic income. You could build lots of AI data centers. You could give universal healthcare. Send every kid in the Americas to college. You can take care of most of the superfund sites. Transition to nuclear energy. You could probably do all of these at once, and they’d be likely to deliver value within a couple of generations. Space may not pay off for centuries if at all. The cheat code used is that of course the peasant isn’t being taxed to pay for the eventually valuable new world land. He just gets the benefits later (much later, obviously). Space isn’t free, though. We pay for the rockets, we will pay to build the colonies, and we will pay to supply them.
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