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Culture War Roundup for the week of February 19, 2024

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I came across this long form article on genetics and race in TIME from 2014.

I’m impressed it was published at all and that it’s still online. Written by a former NYT editor no less, taken from his book.

https://time.com/91081/what-science-says-about-race-and-genetics/

It was denounced, of course.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Troublesome_Inheritance

Still, I can’t imagine any mainstream publication coming within a mile of “race” correlating to “genetics” today.

Geneticists have to be the biggest deniers of anything associated with race because they fear the backlash. Hell of a situation to be in. Good thing there’s only strong and increasing genetic evidence regarding populations, which have no overlap or correlation with race whatsoever.

A current example, drama over a genetics chart perhaps showing racial categories:

https://old.reddit.com/r/biology/comments/1ay54u4/all_of_us_genetics_chart_stirs_unease_over/

https://old.reddit.com/r/genetics/comments/1ay42d3/comment/krsjl7c/

This could be used to teach a class on propaganda and doublethink:

https://old.reddit.com/r/genetics/comments/14rgx56/how_can_race_and_iq_possibly_be_genetically/

Freedom of speech matters, it seems.

That post, and especially OP's interactions in the comments, is setting off my troll alarm. I think there were plenty of bait-takers, but my hunch is that OP's goal was to a) see how ludicrous of a statement he could get the sub to agree with and b) possibly trick a few people into learning some undesirable facts in the gaps that his arguments led right up to.

Very possibly.

But a great effort if so.