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Culture War Roundup for the week of April 1, 2024

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See, this is why center-left people don't feel like allying with the right, despite our increasing frustration with the regressive far-left. I dislike their attitude of wanting to define reality and outlaw disagreement, but I just know that if the right gets into power they'll do the same, but harder. As an example, I have several friends who are as frustrated with the far-left as me, but who support palestine. I disagree with them about this, but I don't thing they should lose their job over it! And nor are they just getting what they're dishing out, no, now we have to take punches from both sides.

Even for cases like Claudine Gay, at least my personal conclusion is that she got her job through politics and lost her job through politics. Scientific competence was only involved as a cudgel to beat her with when it was convenient. This is a disgrace for one of the most renown universities, and the only winners of the whole affair are the people who want to control science with politics. Yes if it was up to me she shouldn't have gotten the job in the first place, but I see little indication that the right would do anything better. In fact I don't even have to look back very far to get right-wing movements such as the moral majority.

See, this is why center-left people don't feel like allying with the right, despite our increasing frustration with the regressive far-left. I dislike their attitude of wanting to define reality and outlaw disagreement, but I just know that if the right gets into power they'll do the same, but harder.

This seems to imply that you have the following preference cascade when it comes to jailing people for speech:

  1. No one uses this power
  2. Only the left uses this power
  3. Both sides use the power
  4. Only the right uses the power

Whereas my cascade is this:

  1. No one uses this power
  2. Both sides use the power
  3. Only the right uses the power
  4. Only the left uses the power

The left defected in a major way by inventing this super weapon. For the right to now hit the "cooperate" button just ensures further defection from the left.

As a center-leftist, you seem to want the right to not actually fight against the left. This is in effect ensuring far left victory. Instead, in my opinion, you should tactically support the right when they are weakest.

Edit: I read your comments below. Maybe you are actually doing in this in which case I apologize for the misreading.

The left didn't invent this super weapon though. Assuming you are talking about governments creating laws regulating speech. It's been around for about as long as governments. Same with what we call cancel culture today, its entirely recognisable as the same behaviours in early societies around shunning, shaming and sub-judicial social sanctions.

From a leftist point of view they are repurposing an already existent super-weapon for their own purposes. I don't think they should be, but I think they are correct in the view that they are picking up a weapon that has already been used many times in the past in many different places. Including within the UK, from the Ministry of Information, to blasphemy to prior restraint to political censorship to the Profumo affair, super injunctions, saying British soldiers should go to hell getting you fined, or saying murdered police officers deserved it getting you jailed and so on.

Like it or not the UK has a long history of being much more authoritarian on what can be said than the US. Most often historically used against anti-establishment voices in general.

This isn't a new weapon. So creating it can't have been a defection. Though using it might still be of course depending on your pov.

Interesting. Can you give an example post WWII of leftists being jailed by rightists for political speech in the UK?

I am aware that the UK is not a free speech zone, but I wasn't aware of anything coming close to what's happening now. Perhaps I'm misinformed.

Jailed doesn't happen often for speech, fined and community service is more normal. In 94 LGBT protestors (including Peter Tatchell, protesting an Islamist group) were arrested for having placards, and took 2 years to be acquiited. In 98 Tatchell was found guilty under a law from 1860 outlawing protest in a church for mounting the pulpit to give a speech opposite the Archbishop of Canterbury. In 2012 Azir Ahmed was fined and sentenced to community service for speech about soldiers who should go to hell. In 2012 Barry Thew was jailed for 8 months for wearing a T-Shirt that approved of cops being murdered.

Whether you would call them leftists I don't know but, being pro LGBT, anti colonial (or neo-colonial) use of soldiers and being ACAB, seem pretty left coded.

To me these examples seem vastly different in scale and scope to what is being proposed with the new law.

8 months for a t shirt?

And note Rowlings comments are bring said not to contravene the law, so it may be narrower than you think.

Sorry, yes, that one seems comparable in terms of the severity of sentence. Still not comparable in that he was parading in the town square vs. cops doing investigative research to ferret out wrong speech.

A report is a report. It was speech (or text technically i guess) punished by a fairly long jail sentence.