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I am not a construction worker. But I have been a construction worker(pre-pandemic), work in a trade that is sometimes categorized as construction, my grandpa was a GC who retired recently, and I’ve overseen minor construction projects recently. A few points:
Construction workers in general have always been unreliable people who have lots of no call no shows, sometimes for months at a time, waste materials, do things other than the ones they say they’re going to do when not supervised, and just disappear for long stretches at a time. Also lots of them do drugs, because the industry has never tested, so there’s plenty of them with what the industry refers to as ‘crackhead tendencies’. This has gotten worse with the supply crunch for blue collar labor, and ‘crackhead tendencies’ make already-rising labor costs rise exponentially because the guy demanding to be paid early because he’s out of cigarettes(he was paid on Friday and ran out of money Saturday morning) now has a lot more negotiating power than he used to.
Lumber rose and then fell to where inflation would predict it should be. Everything else stayed high, and concrete in particular is ludicrously expensive right now. The usual construction industry explanation is that Amazon buys up all the supply for building warehouses.
In addition to the labor issues I already noted, construction is one of the least pleasant jobs that’s widely available. In a general blue collar labor crunch construction will see a particular supply drain, which introduces lots of delays that the customer pays for.
Construction costs rise partly because construction foremen and contractors have no incentive to keep costs down- everything just gets billed back to the customer so nobody cares. Yes, that means the customer eats the bill for lots of waste, dishonesty, and sometimes theft(remember, plenty of the workers are literal crackheads).
Put all that together and it’s not really a mystery why construction is particularly affected by the post pandemic inflation and enshittification.
I was talking to my lawyer friend about construction workers, and he has a few construction worker clients and he says they're all on meth, so yeah, this checks out. I always kinda envisaged them as only slightly classier than a depressed Walmart worker, so it's good to confirm that with people who come into contact with them, as I certainly don't do so often.
This is just crazy to me. Such a moral hazard that nobody I've heard really talks about defending against.
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"Enshittification" doesn't mean "turned to shit". It means "turned to shit because of user, and later business, lock-in".
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