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ToaKraka
Dislikes you
1m ago
So does the quintessential suburb, Levittown, NY.
Well, I guess the UN definition is not necessarily dispositive.
Kenosha actually doesn't—it's 1,360.46/km2 according to Wikipedia.
The Census Bureau includes in its numbers the entirety of Kenosha's legal area, including an airport and some rural land to the west of the part where the actual people live. In contrast, the EU map that I linked works in 1 km × 1 km squares without regard for legal boundaries, and shows that the eastern part is denser.
gattsuru
2m ago
The sha256 above was calculated from this. I'll skip over a couple inside baseball ones because Amadan has convinced me that they're pretty, but they don't really break the specific metrics and they're easy for anyone who wants to call me out to check themselves:
Not a single person from that RPGNet thread is getting a ban or a warning for it: this is what their definition of A+ means.
Not a huge surprise, here; zero infractions for this entire thread. There's been one person slapped in their Infractions forum in the last week (for fighting over the Superman movie). Trouble Tickets has a thread asking about boycotting people for supporting Kirk; the mods haven't condoned it (though it's happening anyway without their intervention)... because they're worried about brigading and user safety. Today, there's a new thread terrified of the fascism going after Jimmy Kimmell, by an entire forum that's incapable of even noticing what Kimmel said or what the murderer did or was.
To be explicit, that means that there's a mainstream part of the web where "Do not feel sorry for this piece of shit. He, in an absolute sense, got what he wanted. He succeeded. And so laughter, sneers, and a desire to piss on his grave are much more appropriate reactions than grief or empathy. In a real sense, the world has been made better by his death. His killer committed a just act. There will be less tragedy on this Earth because he is underground and cannot commit further harm. And therefore my only reaction is 'good!'." and "I am grateful that his evil influence has been removed." is acceptable and 'Dobbs was correctly decided' is a dire attack.
Not a single one of the Discords I've seen tolerate or blast out this sort of advocacy are going to get banned.
The same, and as far as I can tell, not a single one has. Most of them haven't even updated to reality as-is -- the best I can offer is the FFXIV FC that's at least struggling to recognize the obvious.
Julia Ioffe won't be blackballed from every publishing outfit right of TNR.
Ditto.
Neither Megan McArdle nor Conor Friedersdorf will have called out Matt Yglesias on an X page, and I've give 60% odds that they don't have three specific bad actors at all that they've called out.
Obviously on Yglesias, harder to prove for calling out specific bad actors. McArdle has two pieces at WaPo, pretty clearly all without specifics (albeit some humor when she 100%'s her cohost warning about "Democrats are so feckless as an opposition party, more disgruntled young men (and women) will give up on the political process"). Friedersdorf's only post-assassination article is a short piece blasting... Bondi, which fair and technically a name and also a got a fascinating case of dancing around the elephant in the room. Neither look better from their twitter feeds, but I'm open to correction if I missed something.
Nope. He's also promoting a conspiracy theory about some other schmuck's suicide as a racially-motivated lynching, not that anyone cares about disinformation anymore.
The SPLC isn't going to trim back its "hate map" to only focus on actualfa; it's not even going to public recognize that TPUSA didn't fit...
Duh. Also promoting the same conspiracy theories, coincidentally, as the only post on their Apathy Isn't An Option-branded website.
... and none of CNN/NBC/CBS/New York Times will go the full Palin.
Hahahahaha. CNN, NBC, CBS, even now seem to be trying to push hard on the We'll Never Know The True Motive. NYT finally got there despite their own best efforts. I missed them in my list, but ABC had a reporter give the shooter a loving and entirely hallucinated tongue-bath of his own. And that's just for the killer, specifically.
No left-wing or 'centrist' media is diving into rhetorical motivations, and you'd think Trump had banned the word stochastic.
We're not going to get the name of the guy who yelled "Hell No" at the federal house of representatives...
I'm open to correction, here, but as far as I can tell, no.
Pritzker isn't any more likely to get censured than Lujan Grisham was.
Okay, that's less of a prediction than 2+2 = 4. He's in the news now for asking everybody else ratchet down the rhetoric, while (falsely) denying that he called Republicans Nazis. Someone filed a bill of impeachment, and it's going nowhere, and everybody with an IQ above the single digits knows it. (also for taking a photo-op with a different murderer.)
I made some other predictions, in the last week, in PM. On Friday:
Will the DNC censure Ilhan Omar before the Republican Congress does (or will neither)?
The answer is neither; not a single Democratic congresscritter voted in favor of censuring Omar, and four people with Rs after their names refused to as well. I would like to make a contrast.
Will news organization slap down reporters publicly before the
Eye of SauronLibsOfTikTok brings it forward?
Today's conversation is about the government pressuring ABC over a 'comedian' making pretty overt lies, and the only thing remotely funny about it is that it'll end up with ABC's entertainment section having higher standards than their newscorps by a significant amount, and only thanks to harsh pressure. I haven't been able to find a single example of someone coming out of the blue and say they were fired before publication or the conservative outrage; I'm certainly open to correction.
Will any college treat a professor endorsing murder more harshly than they do a prospective student that said the n word, without the threat of conservative oversight?
Hah. There's been firings, but even the most overt calls to evil action by professors has taken direct threat from conservative lawmakers to get anywhere.
Will twitch and youtube start purging Hassan-likes before subpeonas start flying, where they already booted guntubers for such crimes as 'lawfully firing a machine gun'?
No. Hassan specifically got an NYT opinion slot to promote his positions about increasingly punitive rhetoric, and no one on the Grey Lady of Bullshit Record has felt it worth mentioning his less-than-one-month-old call to literally disembowel his political opponents. There is a post of Destiny getting banned from Twitch floating around... and it's from 2020.
Will the people -- even now! -- trying to confidently paint the murderer as some Groyper get banned from reddit for disinformation posting?
somethingiswrong2024's still there, and still apparently huffing whippits as hard as possible. Open to having missed anything, here.
Jesweez
2m ago
As someone on the left I am almost always unconsciously framing my policy viewpoints in the language of the right.
And I feel that almost all of the advice for how to communicate for people on the left preaches this.
This bit of text was a big wake up for me!
MadMonzer
Epstein Files must have done something really awful for so many libs to want him released.
11m ago
· Edited 4m ago
Trump lies like your uncle telling fish stories.
This is a much better metaphor than "Trump lies like a used car salesman." Used car salesmen do not, in fact, lie "like used car salesmen" (although some private used car sellers do).
The main reason why "is Trump a liar" is a scissor is that Trump tells fish tales in contexts where nobody else does, and his supporters don't see it as a problem. The cleanest example is the Letitia James commercial fraud litigation - Trump's people said in a mortgage application (where lying is a crime) that his personal real estate portfolio was THIS BIG, private bankers who are used to working with Trump and wanted to humour him pretended to believe them, Letitia James prosecuted the Trump organisation for lying on a mortgage application, the judge treated the lies as real lies intended to deceive (because that is what the law says, and what would be going on if anyone other than Donald Trump lied in a commercial mortgage application), and Trump's supporters were outraged that their guy could be punished for telling what was obviously a fish tale.
You can tell a similar story about golf cheating, economic statistics, Sharpiegate, pet-eating Haitians, and even the results of the 2020 election.
A yuge part of Trump's political success is that his reputation for fish tales creates a right wing version of "clown nose on, clown nose off" where he can make a false statement, act on it (or get other people to act on it), and then if it turns out not to be believable claim it was a fish tale all along. This creates as least as much outrage in his political opponents as OG "clown nose on, clown nose off" by MSM pseudo-comedians does in their political opponents.
In real-world angling, if you tell the neighbours that you caught a fifteen-pounder and invite them all round to dinner to eat it you are not allowed to serve up a tiddler and laugh at them for believing fish tales.
hydroacetylene
13m ago
I suspect a ton of it is genuine over representation- kids from conservative backgrounds becoming progressive are just going to spend a lot of time on the internet.
Jesweez
15m ago
The fixation I’ve observed on this forum with the 2020 riots is certainly interesting.
Riots are not exactly an uncommon part of political life, yet judging from what I’ve read from many posters here these seem to have been the formative event for many right wing posters.
Interestingly I would have had no idea if not for occasionally browsing forums like this, and that it still seems to be the center of gravity toward which many conversations tend even now 5 years later confirms it.
OracleOutlook
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
18m ago
Maybe a Starbucks coffee from 10 years ago, those things have gotten expensive.
Turniper
18m ago
I don't identify as being on the right or with the republican party, and this seems transparently, massively, offensive to me. One of their own was assassinated and Kimmel said they are liars who hit a new low by saying it wasn't done by someone on their side. That'd be harsh if it were true, but since it seems pretty clearly not to be true, that's extremely offensive.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
23m ago
Certainly not the 737 (unless Qatar gives it to me for free); that's significantly more than Kimmel's total audience. Probably somewhere near the Bentley; the last poll I find (2016) has 26% of his audience claiming to be conservative, and a good percentage of those would understand Fallon to be referring to them even if they don't actually consider themselves MAGA.
Turniper
24m ago
Including notes, my novel series is now 248k words long. Officially approaching the midpoint of book 2. Reception has been really good. I'm now ranked 88/~100k on Royal Road's best rated all time, and I'm steadily picking up readers. Hoping that the readership growth continues and eventually translates to more patreon income, I'm still only pulling a couple hundred a month, but I'm optimistic about the long term trajectory of the story. If nothing else, I have already one novel that I'll be proud to publish and feel is worth charging money for whenever I finally decide to pull the trigger on stubbing.
Lizzardspawn
25m ago
Probably because the first Trump administration was quite impotent. In 2016-2020 it never felt like Trump was holding the reigns.
gorge
27m ago
Trump was holding the steering wheel from 2016 to 2020 ... but the establishment had cut the cables connecting the wheel to the rudder and he hadn't figured out how to reconnect them. Trump 47 has leveled up their game.
Quantumfreakonomics
29m ago
Here is a Twitter thread speculating on the specific regulatory mechanics and corporate interests at play here. This is quite an ingenious maneuver that the administration has employed several times now. If they try to use the stick to prod private corporations to do what they want, the companies will sue and win, but if they dangle the tasty carrot of deregulation in front of them, they get enthusiastic compliance.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
30m ago
The thing about holding people accountable you actually have to hold them accountable for the stuff they did, and not the stuff they didn't. Complaining that defending them when they perhaps did not do wrong is "undermining efforts to hold them accountable" is bad faith.
Lizzardspawn
31m ago
What am I missing here?
The balance sheet of the show. Those shows are expensive to produce and slide into cultural irrelevance and lose money.
Spookykou
32m ago
Turnabout is fair play, the TV channels have been bullying Trump enthusiast for years.
The_Nybbler
If you win the rat race you're still a rat. But you're also still a winner.
32m ago
So does the quintessential suburb, Levittown, NY. But Kenosha actually doesn't -- it's 1,360.46/km^2 according to Wikipedia.
Lizzardspawn
33m ago
But if he was canceled because he pissed off (or pissed on) a good portion of his audience
If I were to give you a dollar for every american that is both MAGA and watches Kimmel regularly will you be able to buy Boeing 737, Bentley or a Starbucks coffee?
hit some new lows
By saying "new low" he is making the fact that MAGA [accurately as it turns out] is characterizing the kid as non-MAGA appear lower than 1) leftists celebrating the murder 2) the actual murder itself.
But, I want Kimmel on air, and no one fired over Kirk. I really don't want the US going to the way of Europe,
Do you want the United States to return to the norms of the 80s and 90s? Because the type of one-sided vitriol exhibited by Kimmel and Colbert has no place on a broadcast network, broad audience, light-hearted variety show. They should have both told years ago to tone down the rhetoric and be more two-sided. The "cancel culture" meme has always been false, for the past 10 years leftists have been escalating rhetoric and attacks and anti-white sentiment in a way that would have been unthinkable thirty years ago, without getting canceled. If you want normalcy, there must be equal fear in straying to far too the left or too far to the right, especially when it comes to talking about political violence.
Personally, I think it is too late anyways to return to normalcy. The Democrat-Republican conflict is going to continue to escalate until one of the two parties is all but destroyed. Stay safe out there.
07mk
38m ago
This feels a lot like wordcel lying where what is said is truthful but it is deliberately structured to give an impression to the audience that is incorrect.
I mean, this is certainly what's going on. This is standard operating procedure for all non-fictional media on all sides of the aisle all the time. As such, people in media who practice this have no plausible deniability; either they're following this playbook knowingly, or they're so oblivious to the reality of such a playbook (intentionally or not) that everyone listening to them is dumber for having listened to them, they should be awarded no points, and may God have mercy on their souls.
Now, wordcel lying is infinitely adaptable to circumstance, but that doesn't mean the adaptation always happens. The part where I see the biggest weakness, by wordcel lying standards, is the inclusion of "desperately" in describing the MAGA gang's actions. The "desperation" implies a sort of losing battle that they're grasping at straws to prove something that's factually wrong, rather than simply stating truths that are obvious, evident and obviously evident. "Desperate" is a subjective judgment call, of course, so Kimmel absolutely deserves zero government censorship for this, by my lights; all it does is show that his judgment is so bad that it reflects poorly on the judgment of people who hired him as a host for a show like that. That MAGA was trying to characterize the murderer as anything other than MAGA is arguably a bland, neutral fact about reality, but that MAGA was desperately trying to do so is a judgment call that shows extremely poor ability to observe reality or to discern reality. Which many many people find perfectly fine in their late night talk show host, as long as that poor ability pays out in making fun of people they disagree with. It's just that, if even more people (or possibly the people with the actual power, like the owners) seem to believe in some higher values than just beating up people they disagree with.
ArjinFerman
Tinfoil Gigachad
39m ago
A lot of right-wingers around here like to spread this whole idea of high and low trust societies. Okay, fine. Here is a mini-society, and Trump is almost singlehandedly making it a low-trust relation full of perpetual suspicion and mistrust. Maybe he's "owning the libs", but at what cost?
I agree with you that trying to quantify it is a futile task, but I would like someone to explicitly take into account some very obvious counter-arguments before making their conclusion. If we juxtapose Trump's lies with things like "racism is a public health emergency, therefore protests are perfectly fine", maybe it will still turn out that he is the worst in terms of damaging societal trust, but it's far from obvious to me, and I don't think people should get to just assert that, and act like everybody agrees with them.
Another thing I'd like to see is some direct comparisons to past presidents. Even if you want to go with the "Republicans bad" framing, it is again rather counter-intuitive for me that anything Trump said could be as bad as George Bush lying the country into the war in Iraq.
professorgerm
You shall love your crooked neighbor, with your crooked heart
42m ago
the problem with analysing this kind of thing is it kind of assumes malice on the part of the speaker
Surely with years of evidence it's safe to acknowledge Kimmel openly hates Republicans and the malice isn't so much assumed but a known intention?
Yep. Trump appears to have largely tamed the Deep State in a manner he did not do in his first term.
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