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GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
3d ago
I don't wish to add fuel to conspiracy theories about the 2020 election by engaging you in disagreement.
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
3d ago
I don't wish to add fuel to conspiracy theories about the 2020 election by engaging you in disagreement.
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
3d ago
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GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
3d ago
That sounds to me like a laymen interpretation of the case. I trust the jurors to come to a decision about whether or not a crime was committed.
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
3d ago
Trump was summoned into existence by the media.
Incorrect. Trump was summoned into existence by his followers. The media reported on his crimes.
If Biden had been a gracious victor, he'd be coasting to a second term and would go down in history as a uniter
If Trump had been a gracious loser, he might be worth nominating for another term. But he went all-in on hate. It didn't have to be this way.
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Courtesy
- Make your point reasonably clear and plain.
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
3d ago
I might even vote for the old rascal myself as I view this lawfare as both morally wrong and deeply destabilizing.
How can you restabilize a situation in which an active participant has committed to destabilizing it by propagating myths about a stolen election?
my enemies’ lawfare, my rule of law
It’s hard to take the lawfare accusations seriously.
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there are tons of high level republicans who are not subject to prosecution, with the obvious explanatory difference being that they, you know, didn’t commit crimes
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dem DOJs go after dem politicians for similar violations
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the same DA goes after normal people for similar violations
This looks like a case of “man does crimes, gets prosecuted for said crimes.” The only remarkable thing is that this man is a former politician with a loser cult of personality.
Let me flip it around: can you honest to god hand on the Bible imagine a scenario in which Trump committed a crime and you don’t call the resulting prosecution “lawfare?”
Edit: I also suspect that the venn diagram of people calling for Trump to lock up Hillary over the made-up email thing and people calling the prosecution of Trump "lawfare" is close to a perfect circle.
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
3d ago
It seems to me that it is better to set a precedent that criminals get convicted of crimes over a precedent that politicians cannot be convicted of crimes.
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
3d ago
The beginning of the Imperial era in Roman politics led to civil war over the imperial seat which was the true cause of the fall of the Roman Empire.
Authoritarian dictators are an inherently incompetent and violent form of government, and anyone who aspires to return us to savage government is factually incorrect about an important section of human history.
My impression of TheMotte is that drive-by and flippant dismissive comments are discouraged. This comment, I thought, was an example of that, because it dismisses someone's personal report as "made up", without offering any substantial commentary. The commenter could have as well as written in a non-sophisticated fashion saying "This guy is lying, and I don't believe him [and so I can evade commenting on the content of the post]" - which is about as flippant as a comment to belong on TheMotte.
I reported that comment 2 days ago, but it didn't seem to have caught any moderator's attention, which is making me think that my appraisal of the quality of discussion here is probably off the mark? Mods, what do you think?
The only point I can think of is this:
That comment had 7 upvotes as of this writing, so obvious a substantial amount of users feel that such flippant dismissal is warranted. The real question is: are such flippant sentiments encouraged in this community? Or are they to be discouraged, thus encouraging members to be more thoughtful?
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
3d ago
I don't believe it was the 'most secure election ever' but pandering to the crybabies does not make them stop crying.
It's in everyone's interest that we secure our election from crybabies who believe that crying about their boomer's election defeat is an acceptable political strategy.
Punish defectors. It is the path to stability, whatever the defectors would have you believe.
PmMeClassicMemes
3d ago
A great day, showing that even the President is not above the law in the United States of America.
Tomato
2d ago
We can quibble over the specifics of how "similar" you want examples to be but the broader point is that dem DOJs go after dems when they do shady white collar activities too.
VinoVeritas
2d ago
Thanks for telling us all you got vaccinated, smart move
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
3d ago
It is true that if it is a legitimate challenge to an election result, there would be ways of knowing this. The existence of people who believe false things does not mean those false things are true.
It is true that an illegitimate challenge to an election result is a threat to democracy. Illegitimate challengers are criminals, and they should be punished to the full extent of the law.
laxam
4d ago
Or you could just make your own themed thread for talking about Tucker. Meanwhile, I'm 'going to post things' I'm thinking
SwordOfOccam
2d ago
Not like Trump did. He refused to concede and he and his close associates pushed all manner of blatant nonsense that failed to get any traction because of a stark lack of evidence.
As with many things, it’s not that no one else in politics has ever done Bad Thing, it’s that Trump finds a way to take things to a new level.
Skibboleth
3d ago
American politicians get convicted of crimes all the time. Convicting governors is my home state's official pastime. Convicting Trump is not a red line except in the eyes of Trumpists.
Stingray3906
3d ago
Here is video essayist Kidology saying the quiet part out loud when it comes to political polarization and virtue signalling, especially as it applies to the Israel-Hamas conflict. https://youtube.com/watch?v=jz5k6rE-3m4?feature=shared
I understand that she's not everyone's cup of tea and has tried to tow the line of being apolitical while seemingly revolving her content around politics, but for me it was refreshing to hear what I've been feeling about what I see as performative activism and the breakdown in American political discourse.
Tomato
2d ago
The republican FBI director famously announced that the FBI was investigating Hillary Clinton's emails a week and a half before the 2016 election.
I hear have an underlying apprehension of violence that rises by the day including today. I don't believe in their hearts these people want violence, but as the right is the political alignment predicted by having superior-to-average faculties at assessing danger, I think even if only intuitively they understand and greatly fear how swiftly we approach violence as the only way out. Blessed are the meek, blessed are those who know when to draw the sword. If and when it happens, it will be the right and only time.
Can you self reflect for a second about how ridiculous this LARPing fanfic is? This is the right's equivalent of lefty women breathlessly imagining the Handmaids Tale is going to come true. The core Trump demographic is old, obese, uneducated people. They are unhealthy. They have no human capital. They live in the middle of nowhere. Their entire personality is centered around talking about how scary they imagine New York to be. Any people like this who are actually talented, have human capital, and are capable of acting with agency have moved to the coasts to participate in the real world.
They are a party of losers. Their greatest political achievement is electing an elite who openly scorns them and handed out tax cuts to other elites. Their second greatest political achievement is one of them having a heart attack during their protest in DC. These days they comically threaten to "boycott" New York, as if the Red Lobster in Times Square will even notice that they aren't there. They aren't some dark brooding populist force that's going to be the vanguard of the revolution. They're a bunch of people who have been left behind and resist the grownups' efforts to help.
It is about a man who refused to kneel when demanded by seated power and has risen to threaten their entire existence. This conviction heralds the imminent arrival of the pivotal figure of American history. It doesn't have to be Trump, but where we are in the reverberations of history is no earlier than the election of Buchanan.
Trump is a talented guy who recognized there are a bunch of losers out there and figured out how to manipulate them. These people spend their political capital on banning lab grown meat to own the libs. They're not leaving anything of note behind in history.
GematriaUnlimited
dependariat
3d ago
I left because I was tired of being downvoted for expressing doubt about Trump. There is groupthink here and it's not necessarily good.
Trump was convicted by a jury of our peers. I trust their judgment. He's guilty.
He's a guilty politician convicted of a crime. A felony.
He's a convicted felon.
Facts don't care about your feelings.
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