ArjinFerman
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ArjinFerman
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2hr ago
Here is a scenario a single small step outside that frame. Leave aside the tribal shibboleths and focus on the material specifics: how would 300,000 autistic trannies and their drones under the Biden clone presidency effectively forestall this scenario?
High-value targets will have much better security (CCTV, gated communities, armored cars, armed security, etc), especially if that sort of thing takes off. For this scenario, I'd deploy the 300,000 autistic trannies as a pre-crime unit. Even European governments will semi-openly tell you they're working on AI that can clock terrorists from a picture of their face (as in: predicatively, not just matching them to a known terrorist), and apparently they got pretty good results.
Hard to tell how the game would play out after that, I could imagine the insurgents still pulling it off, if there's enough of them, they're organized well enough, and have impeccable op-sec, but it's a tall order, and the regime doesn't look all that defenseless to me.
ArjinFerman
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17hr ago
They can try so intensely hard to force you to give a yes or no answer that you have to either counter-bully or play slippery, and either way, you've lost just as hard.
No, normally they can't, it would make them look unhinged.
Here's a recent example of what you're talking about. The only reason it worked is because the target of the tactic is responsible for an unhinged statement she's not willing to defend, but can't back down from for political reasons. If she was actually explaining what the statement means, or distancing herself from it, the tactic would look deranged.
ArjinFerman
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17hr ago
Adding qualifiers makes your answer weaker. Doubly so if your every word is being mined for sound bites. The most charismatic and agile speakers can still manage it, making a “gotcha” look like a normal question.
It's not about sounding weak or soundbites, it's not about looking good in clips, and it's not about charisma. This happens all the same in autistic wordcell forums, where people write page-long arguments, and getting clipped is simply not a relevant dynamic. We still either claims that the question itself is somehow unfair, with no explanation what isunfair about it, or Celestial-body-NOS's heroic attempts to come up with something, and quickly running into one of the contradictions with an important part of the progressive ideology.
I can walk you through all the options and point out how they run afoul of progressivism. I can explain why "anyone who identifies as a woman" really is the only option for them.
I can understand that you want to be fair to all sides here, but ideologies do sometimes paint themselves into corners, and there's nothing wrong or tribal about that out. Do you think creationists or flat earthers are being unfairly gotcha'd, or is it that they just don't have good answers to many questions, and have to resort to mental gymnastics? I know, the question might seem provocative in itself, how can I compare reasonable people like liberals, progressives, and academics to religious and conspiracist weirdos. If this thought went through your head, consider that you're the tribalist one that wants your tribe to control the narrative. I'm just saying there are weirdos with goofy ideas on either side.
ArjinFerman
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1d ago
Have you stopped beating your wife?
- If you answer “yes,” you’re either a liar or an (reformed?) abuser.
- If you answer “no”, you’re either an abuser or a pedant.
- If you refuse to answer, or give a waffly non answer, what does it mean?
You can also answer "I've never started", no one can actually force you to give a yes / no answer.
The reason progressives refuse to answer "what is a woman" isn't because it's some sort of trick question, it's because any possible answer is offensive to some part of their ideology. That's the only reason they settled on "anyone who identifies as a woman" even though it doesn't actually answer the question, and makes them look deranged - it beats the alternative of straying in to heresy.
ArjinFerman
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1d ago
I understand why large LLM developers are against distillation. It is essentially patent infringement
Honestly, given how much FOSS code they ate to train these models, they should be compelled by law to release everything about them.
ArjinFerman
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1d ago
"Female" being associated with misogyny has nothing to do trans and is more related to normie feminism.
They're kinda the same picture. Simone de Beauvoir came up with the whole "woman is a social construct" idea, and a whole lot of feminism was built on top of that. Later it was obviously also used by trans activists as well.
Part of the reason 'adult human female' rubs me the wrong way is that using 'female' as a noun in reference to humans is associated with misogyny.
That's incorrect. Many documents put male/female as sex marker, and there's nothing misogynistic about them. Cases where it might come off this way are fairly limited.
What's more, literally the only reason why people started using "female" was to disambiguate after the trans movement changed the definition of "woman". This was done on the assumption that the trans movement is acting in good faith, and it's all just misunderstanding that can be cleared up by using terms that both sides will understand. Your claim clearly shows that none of this is not happening in good faith, as even official pro-trans materials use the words "male" and "female", so your goal can only be to silence opposition.
Finally, it's extremely hypocritical to demand that your opponents entertain your outlandish definitions of words, while reserving the right to unilaterally declare the other side's words "misogynistic".
ArjinFerman
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2d ago
Isn't that catholic progressives, rather than catholic conservatives?
ArjinFerman
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3d ago
Then that can be said instead of making unproven allegations.
I think it's fine to make allegations, as long as it's clear that they are allegations, and you're not misleading people by implying you have hard evidence.
We know the Algerian government viewed her as a woman, because despite being intersex they had her competing in women's sports.
Which says precisely nothing about whether or not Khelif is, in fact, a man or a woman, particularly in the presence of a Y chromosome and testicles.
Shifting from bailey to motte here. The allegation isn't "they could have incentive to manipulate the coverage" but specifically that the 2019 change by Rotten Tomatoes is active manipulation to hide how unpopular The Oddysey "truly" is.
The issue is that this actual allegation is objectively stupid,
No, you're just misrepresenting the original argument. Unless I got lost in the conversation, I didn't see anyone say this was made for the Odyssey specifically. The claim is it was made for shitty movies in general, and The Odyssey is a specific instance to which the claim applies.
ArjinFerman
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3d ago
Dunno, never heard of him.
ArjinFerman
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3d ago
Quite prominent, but your argument would be better served if you found an example of someone who isn't regularly called a Nazi.
ArjinFerman
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3d ago
Yes, it's of course trivially easy to find left-wingers in general criticising it at the time. Plenty of outright communists, even, criticised it as bad praxis. So in the broadest sense, the statement that I made is correct.
Are you sure about this? That's not how I remember it. From what I recall mainstream Democrats circled the wagons around it, and the only communists that criticized it as bad praxis were /r/stupidpol types that routinely got called nazis themselves.
So in other words, there is no evidence.
Which is much less own then you think it is, given that there is zero public access to anything that could be evidence, and no reason to assume the site is acting in good faith.
"Khelif has XY chromosomes" != "Imane Khelif is a man."
Yes, it does.
and it's not just hardcore lefties who believe that but also again Algeria a Muslim conservative nation that had Khelif participate in women's sports.
You are again trying to use your vague impressions of a country you know nothing about to wave away the results of a chromosome test. This means nothing you say about evidence existing or not existing can be taken seriously.
You know you can just literally Google how the Algerian government treats and views LGBT people right?
Who said anything about Khelif being LGBT?
Well yes, conspiracists are typically stupid.
Remember, this entire conversation is about a 2019 change to push poll casual viewers being alleged as an intentional manipulation to cover for The Odyssey failing. Five years before it was even in production!
Oh dear. If you're going to call people stupid, you probably should make sure you're not going to misrepresent their argument to such a drastic extent. Studios have an incentive to manipulate the coverage of shitty movies in general. The Odyssey might happen to be an escalation point in the measures they take, but otherwise it's just a specific instance of what they do in general.
ArjinFerman
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3d ago
Why? We literally did have people saying "If you've got 10 people seated around a table, and a Nazi sits down, and nobody gets up, you've got 11 Nazis.". They were somehow magically right wing? Apolitical?
ArjinFerman
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3d ago
..seems exactly the wrong way around. It was woke politics that grew popular around 2010 that ended up taking over reddit, not the other way around.
I think "the other way around" is right, though. They didn't take over by becoming popular, they took over by consolidating moderation in their hands (I think right now a handful of people moderates a ridiculous amount of the most popular subs, though I don't remember the numbers), and getting admins to ban opposition.
ArjinFerman
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3d ago
And it ended because a teenager died.
I don't know if it was the same incident, but I also recall a story about a black kid dying because a bunch of lefties filled his car with bullets, and immediately went on twitter to brag about how they killed a fascist (and then promptly purged the tweets). Though I thought that happen earlier in the zone's existence, and it went on for a week or two more after that.
ArjinFerman
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3d ago
ArjinFerman
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4d ago
This is not true whether we're talking about Nazis or about violent leftists.
Why do you recon not a single leftwinger stood up and said that, back when it was a fashionable thing to say, even on our forum?
ArjinFerman
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4d ago
If this was true at all, why does the accusation of manipulation against RT have to be so dogshit?
Because the public does not have access to their source code, their communications, their frontend or backend., which is how we found out about the other companies manipulating their results.
It's very easy to conceive of them as anti spam bot/impersonation/algorithm manipulation etc measures
It's very easy to conceive of any smoking gun evidence as something mundane, but when someone explicitly says they don't use a particular measures for ranking, and their leaked documentation says they do, a rational actor usually assumes bad faith on the part of the party making the declaration.
Funny then that so many of your examples are still highly debated, even in conservative circles like Khelif.
Khelif is highl debated in the same sense vaccines are highly debated, your attempt to dismiss a chromosome test with vague assumptions about the culture of a country you've never been to is probably worse than most anti-vaxx arguments.
But yes, this proves all the conspiracy theories are true after all
You're the one that brought the "this is what conspiracists say in these other cases, therefore you're wrong argument". If it works one way, it works the other way as well (or, you know, it was dishonest to make it from the start).
ArjinFerman
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5d ago
That's when the sun doesn't shine on it:
often to describe rough, stormy seas.
If the right can rally around scandals as first world problem as "a beer brand did a promo with a trans tiktoker as part of their plan to recruit more customers" and "the mnm is less sexy" then certainly they could rally around greater scandals.
It's not a greater scandal. Websites secretly manipulating their algorithms / whatever results they present is completely normal now.
Or consider that just like the false claims of manipulated review scores, these also lack anything actually substantial to rally around so everyone cared more about sexy candy.
Ok, let's consider it. In a world where these claims are completely false, I don't expect to see Twitter moderator frontend screenshots getting leaked with accounts being tagged with terms like "search blacklist" or "trends blacklist", and for external tools that check whether an account was shadowbanned to exist, or Google API documentation leaks that show that in their ranking algorithm they keep track of attributes they deny have any relevance (including one literally called "smallPersonalSite".
"It turned out it was true all along" is one of my favorite type of arguments however.
Yes, it's a great argument! Whether we're talking about the dual wielding Scottish girl having been sexually assaulted by migrants all along, Imane Khelif being a man, transgender medicine not being based on sound science, and the most renowned pro-trans medical association being fully aware of it, and deliberately hiding the fact, the "It turned out it was true all along" argument is popular as it shows how little regard for facts self-styled "anti-conspiracists" have.
It would be a big deal if actual manipulation could be shown and proven, particularly if it happened constantly and wasn't just a one off like "oh this reviewer got caught in a bribery scandal".
You're just repeating the original assertion, not explaining why you believe it's true.
The big issue is that most of the time when people claim to find something like that they're wrong
I disagree. People claimed that social media was shadowbanning and limiting their them based on their politics, it was called a conspiracy theory, and ended up being 100% true for multiple social media platforms. People thought Google is deranking independent websites, people like you called it conspiracy theory, and it turns out to be 100%, and so on, and so on...
Manipulating algorithms you have power over is completely normal. Your insistence that it would cause any sort of scandal strikes me as extremely naive and baseless.
ArjinFerman
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6d ago
Would be a big deal if true
Why? Few would notice, and those that noticed would be ignored. To they extent they're not ignored, you'd have a good chunk of people coming up with arguments for why it's not true. Even if it somehow came out that it definitely is true, people would just shrug, like they did with the "far right conspiracy theory" of shadowbanninf on other social media.
Doesn't sound like a big deal to me.
ArjinFerman
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6d ago
I changed to monster-projectile collision model from circle-circle to circle-rectangle, it should give me a bit more flexibility with what I can do with the projectiles. I still have to add an offset factor so the collision box isn't necessarily centered at the projectile location, and I still have to test it fully, but so far it seems to be doing what I want.
During the tests I was playing with the parameters the simulation. I managed to smooth out the monster-monster collision so they don't get stuck on each other so much. I also thought I could later incorporate some of the parameters into the game mechanics, like adding a time slowdown, or a "gravity bomb" that could pull all the monsters and crush them, but for now that's heading to the backlog.
How have you been doing @Southkraut?
The latter. Apparently there are some tells in the facial expressions, and they're somehow associated with depression, or at least the false positives they get tend to be cases of benign depression. They were boasting of accuracy to the tune of 80% iirc.
It all sounded very experimental, but it's an actual no-shit program, than an actual European country is working on, as told by one of the top dogs of [insert country] Psychological Association.
Don't they live on military bases? That strikes me as a difficult target. I suppose you could get them when they're on leave.
Yeah, but that sort of thing tends to make your cause unpopular.
Honestly, I think we could cut it down significantly even now, without any AI, just by applying knowledge from basic police statistics, it's just that the powers that be don't want to do that.
That said, I'm far from 100% convinced the AI thing would work out, or that it has no counter measures. Just thought I'd throw a curve ball at you.
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