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Both of those things are being done. I think what Trump has to do instead is go all-in on videographic propaganda. His opponents are cherrypicking the most emotionally-potent videos of death they can find and then exaggerating the details. So he needs to find the most emotionally-potent video of death he can find and then exaggerate the details. I’m sure his team can find a high fidelity video of an innocent American crying in a pitiable way while gruesomely slain by an illegal alien. He just needs to martyr-maxx these videos constantly, as no human has infinite mental bandwidth for tragedy. It’s literally been more than a decade of Democrats leaning into martyr-maxxing, Trayvon and Floyd etc. The best they could find was a bus grainy video of a Russian Ukrainian woman being killed, which isn’t really effective. They need to study how martyrs function in social ecosystems and then have their own, because it’s like a zero-day vulnerability on the public’s psyche at this point, just easy mode for Democrat persuasion.
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Perhap I would support giving Trump the brief tyrannical power to punish everyone responsible for America’s demographic changes, including churches, but this is well outside the Overton Window and presents other problems. But the artful deployment of ICE is no more offensive than the artful deployment of other agencies, which have always been deployed with punition, whether against innocent Christian bakers or against innocent conservative nonprofits (the IRS targeting campaign).
The surge was specifically for the Somali daycare fraud, because “half or more of the roughly $18 billion in federal funds that supported 14 programs in Minnesota since 2018 may have been stolen.” There are 100,000 Somalis in Minnesota, many of them illegal. This is a punitive expedition and I could not support it more. Minneapolis allowed this crime to go on for years because Somalis are a D voting block and provide political donations to D. This is punishment against both the Somali community and the corrupt political establishment of the state. The news is complaining about “innocent” Somalis being detained for days, which likely means that the targeting of the community is working. The more Trump punishes, the most investment leaves the state. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/surge-in-federal-officers-in-minnesota-focuses-on-alleged-fraud-at-day-care-centers Noem says 10k have been arrested in the Minneapolis area, so the surge is working, to some degree. It’s not like this is some conservative conspiracy theory. Per NYT: https://archive.is/NNG45
How Fraud Swamped Minnesota’s Social Services System on Tim Walz’s Watch: Prosecutors say members of the Somali diaspora, a group with growing political power, were largely responsible
Federal prosecutors say that 59 people have been convicted in those schemes so far, and that more than $1 billion in taxpayers’ money has been stolen in three plots they are investigating. That is more than Minnesota spends annually to run its Department of Corrections. Minnesota’s fraud scandal stood out even in the context of rampant theft during the pandemic, when Americans stole tens of billions through unemployment benefits, business loans and other forms of aid, according to federal auditors.
Returning to your post,
here are cherry-picked cases
What do you expect us to do with this? Errors happen all the time, in everything. There were five train derailments in Spain last week, do you think there was a conniving transportation officer trying to fertilize the land with innocent Iberian blood? You need an argument rooted in statistics if you’re alleging that ICE is (1) concerningly incompetent or (2) evil. There is literally nothing we can do with these isolated cases.
officers get annoyed and take photos
Okay? They are human too. If someone harasses their local bus driver they are liable to be punched in the face. We aren’t Sparta, we don’t have endless pithy and stoical military elites to fulfill every social need.
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1d ago
For Yiddish-speaking households: https://www.niussp.org/fertility-and-reproduction/fertility-and-nuptiality-of-ultra-orthodox-jews-in-the-united-states/
In the American Community Survey 2021, looking at spoken language at home, Somali sits at 5.2 https://x.com/BirthGauge/status/1583095374654283776
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1d ago
After Yiddish and Pennsylvania Dutch, the language with the highest TFR in America is Somali. Also, you can probably find a study on urban-dwelling Salafist families in the Middle East who have huge families, ie there are fundamentalist families in Riyadh working oil & gas who will have 5+ kids.
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1d ago
The key point of interest IMO is that we funded it and supported it, and so, as the evidence right now points to a lot of children having faced needless starvation for no legible reason, we actually funded and supported a policy of arbitrary mass starvation directed at children. For a lot of Americans that deserved attention in a way that an African civil war typically does not, although I’d note that we cared a lot about the Rwandan Civil War back in the day, and even growing up years after the fact I can recall seeing a lot of ambient social and political interest about it.
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1d ago
I remember my surprise at how this forum reacted to the atrocities in Gaza. Not a lot of posts or interest about it; nothing compared to how it gripped political discussion in America at large. I was even mod-warned for posting on the subject too many times. Our empathy can be exceedingly narrow when it is convenient.
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2d ago
How would your 2016 self have reacted to the subsequent changes in the discursive landscape? If someone told me, “the wealthiest man in the world bought Twitter and posts photos of ‘MechaHitler’ in a bikini while the President gives Europa soundbytes at Davos and the DHS posts vaporwave Moonman edits”, I would tell them to take their meds.
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2d ago
I love this topic. We often have the same pet interests. Some thoughts from the angle of psychology:
There is a big difference in what is being conditioned between confession and therapy. In confession, using the ideal subject as illustration, there is the experience of aversive stimuli (or punishment) until confession occurs. He has both the guilt of having caused serious harm, and the fear of a miserable future consequence that has a chance of transpiring at any moment (“like a thief in the night”). The commission of a bad action results in an immediate and strong “intrinsic” punishment in the subject, which is only removed upon confession. This means that confession is reinforced, and also the ambient environmental stimuli on the way to confession is reinforced, namely the Church and all of its unique cues, which takes on further positive valence and increases general “approach behavior”. Some bad action B is punished, and some confession behavior + stimuli C is reinforced. And what is it that comprises C? Approaching the Church, seeing the Church imagery, the scent and sound, engaging in the usual gestures and phrases, all of this will have trace reinforcement. But the strongest reinforcement is saved for examining, humbling, and admitting a fault or offense. This is pretty interesting, because while the commission of the action is punished, the awareness + expressing + forecasting + humbling of ourselves has reinforcement. The result of this is that a person is deterred from committing a fault, but not actually deterred from self-reflection and self-criticism, which will actually increase as it takes on positive valence.
In therapy, well, the conditioning is all muddled. Things aren’t clearly reinforced or punished. Attending therapy is enjoyable for a lot of people, as is talking about their problems. It’s enjoyable to sit in an interesting office and have a smart person hear us talk in a way where we don’t experience much aversion / punishment. The complaining about our predicaments is reinforced, whereas in Christianity too much complaining falls more into “venial sin” territory. It may be that self-exploration is actually punished in therapy, because when the subject does this he is introduced to new aversive stimuli by the therapist. The therapist has the difficult job of somehow making the patient averse to his bad actions without making him averse to therapy or making him averse to self-disclosure. This is hard, because there is no “Hell Belief” that the therapist can work to rescue from. It may be that complaining and bad behavior actually becomes reinforced because it promotes further therapy (an enjoyable activity). I think a therapist can convince a subject on the intrinsic damage of his action and to the relief that comes from corrective action, but this is harder when you’re not dealing with such a simplified and potent worldview as heaven vs hell, as you have to somehow persuade the subject to an objective valuation of human behavior.
In Christendom, confession is one part of an expansive plan to modify you for the better. And one of the modifications is that you pay less attention to social grievances. You should ideally be buffered against social stress because, among other reasons, it is a mark of honor and a rewarded act to receive all kinds of social injustices without complaint, like Christ. This means that when they inevitably happen to you, it’s not so catastrophic, but instead an expected part of one’s ultimately-rewarding journey:
For this is a gracious thing, when, mindful of God, one endures sorrows while suffering unjustly. For what credit is it if, when you sin and are beaten for it, you endure? But if when you do good and suffer for it you endure, this is a gracious thing in the sight of God. Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, so that you might follow in his steps.
If Christian modification is successful, there’s just not a lot to complain about, except to complain about one’s own evilness for the purposes of deterring us from said evilness. In its ideal form (which hardly exists today) every Christian has a solid Brotherhood within which they exult in stressful trials (Romans 5:3) and encourage each other’s endurance (James 1:9). This is optimal, because the social joys of conversation are a reward for stress-buffering behaviors and beliefs. When your focus is on enduring and improving and spiritual war and the spiritual “climb”, there shouldn’t be a lot of room for catastrophizing over stuff. I remember watching that Alex Honnold documentary — the guy who just climbed a skyscraper in Tapei to like millions of people yesterday, I guess, because why not — and he said that climbing eliminated the rumination he had over the death of his father. This is due to adrenaline and life-or-death stakes, but it’s also due to the Flow State which is proven to reduce rumination. Well the optimal flow state isn’t climbing skyscrapers, but somehow blending reward pursuit with righteousness, which I think the Christians of antiquity and the Middle Ages really tried to do for its gains in stress reduction.
Maybe my understanding of therapy is woefully off, but like, we’re at 11% of population going to therapy and increasing, I imagine for young urban professional liberals it’s maybe 25% (?), and there are 200,000 therapists in America? Doesn’t seem sustainable whatsoever. Seems like we had to find a more expedient solution here.
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2d ago
My view is as follows: mass migration poses a greater threat to America than any 20th century war we participated in. As a consequence, I’m fine with the same amount of casualties if it promotes a sealed border. Total WWII American casualties were ~1 million, so I would be fine with 1 million casualties if it seals the border. The military is fine with a certain number of deaths during training, which I think comes to around 400 training deaths annually, and the whole purpose of the military is so that foreigners do not invade us and replace us. I file these police shootings as akin to training deaths, in that they are operation accidents which are entirely expected and which deserve a brief “ah, unfortunate” before we move on to greater concerns like improving civilization and maximizing wellbeing. If what we want is a safe country, or a beautiful country, or a developed country, then in my opinion we don’t want endless migration from people who perform worse according to a variety of metrics. If you can’t accept deaths in the pursuit of deporting those who are statistically guaranteed to replace you (current trends continuing), then I don’t know how you can justify any war whatsoever. You might as well just disband the military completely at that point.
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3d ago
I like to imagine somewhere in the world is an avid reader who carries a 30x pocket magnifier in one pocket, and a small library of 1/30th-sized books in another pocket.
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There is a natural desire to not be duped, trapped, enslaved, or subordinate, and there is also a desire to be aware of one’s surroundings. The decision-maker does not wish to place himself in this condition even if he knows that his future self would forget about these negative features, because in the present he feels a primal aversion to doing these things to himself. The thought experiment might only prove that we have certain hedonic concerns (eg safety from threats = aware of surroundings) which override our ability to envision pursuing other hedonic interests, that in certain contexts we are averse to forecasting future pleasures because of an urgent concern. An animal that doesn’t desire to sleep (and pleasantly dream) because a predator is nearby is still expressing hedonic interest. Or if you tell someone, “eat this [disgusting waste product] and when you’re done eating it you’ll receive 100 free meals” — our hedonic primitive aversion supercedes any thought of entertaining rational cost-benefit analysis (insofar as we have an intact disgust instinct). So perhaps Nozik has only proven that, not only are we hedonic, but we are also instinct-oriented about our hedonic concerns.
An alternative to the experience machine would be the following: God has given humanity the opportunity to enter a perfectly hedonic realm. All of humanity has a vote in this, majority rule. No one is left behind on earth — an essential clause to mitigate any status concern about who gets to inherit the earth. No one will be subordinate and all will be in bliss. What will we choose? We will choose the hedonic realm, certainly. There’s no residue of “dastardly scientist harvesting us” as is found unconsciously in the machine experiment. And religions speak in similar terms precisely because we love the hedonic realm. It was blissful in Eden and it will be blissful in Heaven. The traditional vision of Heaven is maximally hedonic. Anselm articulates it as not unlike a heroin user’s description of his first high:
The pleasures we will possess in heaven are of such a kind that the more they are experienced, the more fervently shall one desire them. For, since they are perfect in nature, they shall bring satisfaction and yet never give rise to any boredom or tedium. I believe that there is no one living, or no one who has ever lived, who would not prefer the taste and experience of these perfect heavenly delights than any earthly pleasure whatsoever!
in the future life of heaven, ineffable pleasure shall completely inebriate and saturate those who are saved. An unimaginable outflowing of delight shall fill them and all their senses with the most indescribable sweetness. The eyes, the ears, the nostrils, the mouth, the hands, the feet, the throat, the heart, the loins, the lungs, the bones, and even the very marrow of the bones shall all experience the plentitude of ecstasy. Each of the senses and parts of the body shall enjoy this plenitude individually, and also all of the senses and the whole body will enjoy it in its supreme totality. This delight of the senses shall be of a miraculous sweetness and marvelous delight, such that the entire human being will drink deeply from the crystalline stream of celestial pleasure and be utterly and gloriously inebriated by its all-surpassing fullness!
And this shouldn’t be surprising given the social role of religion. You want a maximally appetitive state to direct behavior, and the most appetitive states for humans is obvious when looking at what humans do when they’ve relinquished the primal instincts of social obligation: endless desiring (MMORPGs, meth, nicotine, x, tik tok), endless pacifying (alcoholism), endless wonder, endless pleasure (heroin). Similar to what you wrote about status, the original vision of Heaven is described to satisfy our need for status: the inheriting of a Kingdom, the ruling over of your tribes, room in a heavenly mansion, the sitting on thrones.
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If Europe wanted Americans to feel a sense of extrapolitical obligation toward European interests, then it should have allocated $__,000,000,000 toward the funding of European-ancestry cultural and religious social movements. Israel is a testament to the efficacy of this strategy. As is India with its strong lobbyists in Canada and America. It failed to do this, and while it’s not too late it is running out of time to catch up.
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7d ago
IMO algorithms have changed dating in recent years, as feeds will present women with highly attractive men outside of their extended social network at a considerably higher rate than in previous half-decades. In the past, a highly desirable man within one’s extended social network would be vetted to see whether he is dating half the town; if you are now being shown men outside of your network, there is no vetting possible outside of dedicated apps (which most women will never use). So an attractive man who goes viral on algorithmic feed social media can easily find 100 or 1000 dates across his state. If you are 18-25, very healthy, irreligious, why wouldn’t you do this? And for a woman, the idea of dating a man who is both attractive and famous (and with whom she can obtain fame herself) is as irresistible proposition. I think this explains why more young adult men than young adult women describe themselves as single:
63% of men under 30 describe themselves as single, compared with 34% of women in the same age group
This doesn’t apply in reverse. A highly attractive woman does not typically have an interest in dating more than two or three men at the same time. Affluent women where prostitution is legal do not typically pay for whores, but many men would enjoy meeting hundreds or even thousands of women. A man’s fantasy novel may involve dozens of partners, whereas a woman’s involves only 1 or 2 high quality partners. This is one of the strictly-biological asymmetries at play in our brave new decidedly-non-paternalistic world. A similar asymmetry is that women have higher standards for men in online dating than men do for women, and that political polarization will mathematically prevent lots of progressive women from ever finding a husband.
There is no quick solution to this problem. The solution requires bringing back the cultural technology that we lost, the rules that shame promiscuity and teach women to be humble and teach men to settle down early and not date half the town. The women who have been misled into thinking that they deserve the hottest man in the world will be miserable at the realization that their destined match is Literally Just Some Normal Guy With a Bad Haircut. For men who have exhausted their dating prospects, the best solution is probably just to look at different countries, where “American” adds extra points in dating. It is no more abnormal for a foreign woman to fall for an American man as it is for an American woman to fall for a Frenchman or British aristocrat, or a Midwestern girl who watched too many K-Dramas to fall for a Korean. There was a funny tweet that went viral the other day about American GIs finding European women more agreeable than American women, so much so that American women had to launch organizations and campaigns to stop all the marriages. But ultimately I think that should be a last option, and imho you should pick a woman from Europe or the Middle East or whatever your culture is, over anywhere else.
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7d ago
China is good if you are typically Chinese, with instincts toward emotional suppression, conformity, lower novelty-seeking, in-group cohesion, etc. I imagine the rigidity in work and school would drive the typical European into neurosis. There’s no reason to think that a state can ever be designed such that it maximizes the happiness of two distinct cognitive / temperament types.
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9d ago
they seem very popular among women
If it is the case that everything traces to Ev Psych, then the “environment” of the progressive woman is torturous: your tribe has been deposed from power and the enemy tribe now rules over your old territory (he is “not my President”); their warriors now invade the dwellings to snatch away the little ones (Guatemalans and Ecuadorians short in stature whom she has been made to identify with as tribal equals — they cook the communal meals in the longhouse). The evolutionarily-correct response to this is to literally scream and stress all the men in the vicinity. Someone should do a survey to see whether political radicalization among women is negatively correlated to whether their husbands are rich / tall / strong / possessing abundant acreage, as these things would lead to a primal sense of safety and security. It is obviously lower in religious women who believe in a strong and mighty God, paternalistic and providing, who exacts vengeance against enemies in time. (Where are all the stressed out Somali women? They are psychologically buffered against this.)
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9d ago
I have two relatives that are passionately anti-ICE and I have found only a limited amount of reasoning in the maintenance of their viewpoint. They have no interest in discussing the possible consequences of high amounts of low IQ migrants on society, how deterrence theory factors into the desire to deport those who arrived as a child, the longterm impact of demographic change, or the actual statistical risk that ICE poses in regards to unjustified use of force. They are stuck on ideological “flashbulb memories” from the media and thoroughly convinced that ICE = totalitarianism = no freedom = very bad = they will come for the women next (and other such statements of catastrophe). I speculate that the motivations behind some of the protesting has a purely psychological etiology: excitement from a sense of purpose + externalizing the problems which plague one’s own life. Toward this latter point, I am reminded of the externalization in Ecclesiastes, where the worries about the breakdown of the human body are writ large symbolically onto the body-politic:
Remember also your Creator in the days of your youth, before the evil days come and the years draw near of which you will say, “I have no pleasure in them”; before the sun and the light and the moon and the stars are darkened and the clouds return after the rain, in the day when the keepers of the house tremble, and the strong men are bent, and the grinders cease because they are few, and those who look through the windows are dimmed, and the doors on the street are shut—when the sound of the grinding is low, and one rises up at the sound of a bird, and all the daughters of song are brought low— they are afraid also of what is high, and terrors are in the way
Spoiler in case you wish to decipher the metaphors yourself:
Consider the poignant interview from the No King’s Protest: “I'm just so scared. I'm 74 years old. I worry about everything. I just, I just am so scared and upset, and I don't - I don't understand why people voted for this person." Fear, worry, confusion, alienation — is this really all Trump’s doing? Or instead, are these found in one’s own life, and there is a pressing need for communal catharsis, however artificial, which is so difficult to find in our secular and atomized age? A possibility.
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9d ago
The question is if Iran wants them to be apostasizing. Probably not. I don’t think any religious country wants their citizens to be non-religious. Their inability to fix apostasy does not mean that they should throw out their whole social technology infrastructure. But the extent of apostasy is probably exaggerated in Western news, to drum up support for a perceived irreligious youth rebelling against those wicked & oppressive tyrannical mullahs.
Iran's TFR is 1.7. It's basically a Western country
A higher TFR than White Americans while only making 1/4th of their adjusted average wage is incredible. (Not that wages are so important for TFR, but really low wages and really high wages have an effect).
Do they actually have 2% of the population with an extremely high fertility rate? If they wanted such a thing, they'd be better off encouraging religious diversity. I don't see how enforcing Islam helps with that.
Without Islam their TFR would go even lower. An Iran that is legally “Islamic” can direct resources to those subpopulations which are high TFR, and has a generally better chance of one day fixing TFR concerns. An atheistic country is totally fucked wrt TFR and has pretty much zero chance of recuperating fertility except through a quasi-religious fascism.
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9d ago
Sometimes but I chop it up first. Feels cleansing. Also ginger.
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10d ago
I disagree that those things originate from “reaction formation” against not being the smartest person. They are more easily explained by the general fact that humans get passionate about things they like and have a habit of exaggerating its importance. Somewhere out there is a surfer or painter or deadhead who never cared for intelligence yet believes his chosen hobby is the balm of mankind. That’s just what everyone does. If they have no intellectual pursuit, then this comes out in their consumer purchases or luxury experiences, as another way to obtain a sense of self-importance. This quote isn’t exactly fitting but as Pascal notes,
Vanity is so anchored in the heart of man that a soldier, a soldier's servant, a cook, and a porter brags and wishes to have his admirers. Even philosophers wish for them. Those who write against it want to have the glory of having written well; and those who read it desire the glory of having read it. I who write this have perhaps this desire, and perhaps those who will read it…
As for those believing “nerds are loathsome scum who deserve to be bullied”, I’ve never actually seen this directed against anyone but those who like Marvel and Funkopops. Usually niche interest enjoyers have respect for other niche interest enjoyers. Scott’s implicit assumption appears to be that everyone who does not worship strict empirical rational inquiry is coping with not being the best at rationalism, which is quite the convenient line for someone who is the very face of rationalism. But EQ and embodiment are probably interesting things to get passionate about. If you don’t believe in EQ, you’ll have to explain why the smartest students in the world party on the weekend to rap music made by artists with a low IQ. This is my favorite example demonstrating EQ, becaus there are a lot of high IQ people who wish they could be rappers, but no one parties to their music on the weekends.
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10d ago
people are rat bastards and no amount of encouragement can get defect-bots to stop being defect-bots
I have faith that that there are ways to do this… We just have to be very clever…
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11d ago
I would like to see this so we can measure which system is best for resource acquisition, development, and player enjoyment
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11d ago
How would you devise an MMORPG to hypothetically maximize for the most rewarding and positive social interactions and bonding? Some thoughts:
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You want to make untrustworthy, treacherous, "defect-opting" player behavior as easy as possible. This is paradoxical, but knowing that players always have the option to backstab you (and be greatly rewarded for it) means that players are encouraged to form deeper than surface bonds. It wouldn’t be enough that a player has the correct stat or checks the OK box, you need to know him personally to trust him and to cooperate. The calculus would be that cooperation is only the best option in the longterm, whereas defection is the best option in the short-term (and abundantly so) and with no legible reputation-meter to check a person’s prior defections (easy name / face changes).
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Similar to the above, add select highly-scarce player rewards that can only be obtained through longterm social trust. Dungeons in games like WoW do not require this level of trust, because they lacks the heavy punitive cost of trusting the wrong person, as Ninja Looting isn’t as simple as the olden days.
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Cooperative questing where verbal call-outs are essential. This is something FPS games do pretty well, because the encounters are always unique so verbal call-outs are the only way to defeat enemies. In modern WoW it’s mostly following a pre-determined sequence of buttons.
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More team mechanisms which show on-screen that the characters are benefitting each other. An animation for giving another player where you see something handed, with a happy rewarding jingle and expressions of kindness, an ornate healing animation, an animation for repairing, animations for rescuing, animations for pulling wounded teammates… this is a trivial way for hack our primate brains to sense greater bonds.
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A group singing animation for buffs. Again, very primal, and very trivial to implement (keystrokes for notes).
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Un-googleable (un-AIable) quest items, where you must find a limited amount of real players with the item and bargain with them to receive it by helping them with something. An algorithm can determine which player would be most aided by your particular class / race / profession.
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Quest plotlines which articulate & extol brotherhood and camaraderie. Just a clever way to make us feel stronger bonds with other players (eg while questing with them, the quest plotlines themselves are showing great cooperations etc).
This was a fun aspect of vanilla WoW which afaik has died out in modern games. It’s a fun thought experiment.
Right. The issues: not a memorable name like “Good”; you don’t hear her agony; you don’t get a close up of her; you don’t see her dying out; the aggressor is inadvertently sympathetic (as she is insane); and most importantly, we don’t experience the event through the vicarious social learning of mourner. The reason you had wealthy professional mourners in ancient Babylonia, and paid wailers mentioned in the Old Testament, is the same reason a weeping Mary is often depicted in crucifixion scenes — it introduces the targetted social response to the subject, for you to imitate through peer pressure or social learning, like a director playing weepy music in a movie.
It’s all very sociopathic to think like this, but I feel that someone in the DNC is plotting this out behind a bunch of excel sheets. The strategy is just way too predictable, they do it every cycle. It honestly feels like like wallhacking at this point. Wailhacking, if you will.
To don a tinfoil hat, they also de-martyred Charlie Kirk. They created the most viral meme of the month called “Kirkification” where the youth would blend Charlie Kirk’s face with a bunch of random faces, so that the memory of his face made you laugh, and millions of young people did this. Massive trend. Then they launched the “we are Charlie Kirk” trend, where the emotional memory of name was blotted out as well; and at the same time the idea of mourning him became the focus of derision and laughter. This sound was used in maybe 500,000 discrete videos across social media. Possibly people just organically stumbled on the best way to blot out the memory strength of Charlie Kirk, but I find it more probable that there are dark forces doing this sort of thing behind the scenes. Look at what they can do against ICE for free with activists, now imagine the tools at their disposal among the people they actually pay.
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