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On July 17th the Trump birthday card was first publicly reported in the WSJ; that same day, Trump called for Iran to unconditionally surrender, and he began striking Iran on the 22nd. Recall that Israel may have previously blackmailed Clinton with the Lewinsky tapes. One researcher believes this was related to the “Mega” investigation:
https://www.wrmea.org/1999-april-may/gideons-spies-the-secret-history-of-the-mossad.html
Thomas implies that downgrading the FBI search for “Mega,” just when the circle of suspects had been narrowed down, was linked to Clinton succumbing to Israeli blackmail based on the Mossad’s tapes of his telephone conversations with Monica.
Mega was some mysterious person or entity which was a conduit of the Israeli government. It likely referred to Wexner’s influence operation:
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/jan/10/inside-ring-former-nsa-counterspy-says-jeffrey-eps/
Former National Security Agency counterspy John Schindler says he has connected the intelligence dots regarding the late convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein and linked him to an Israeli influence operation.
“the heart of the Epstein saga was a clandestine intelligence operation devoted to compromising and blackmailing rich and powerful people,” Mr. Schindler said.
”We know that MEGA was viewed by Israel intelligence officials as a vehicle for espionage and influence operations in the United States,” Mr. Schindler concluded. “We know that it was co-founded by Jeffrey Epstein’s billionaire benefactor. The rest remains speculation.”
Re Epstein and Mega: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/inside-jeffrey-epsteins-decades-long-relationship-with-his-biggest-client
During the 1990s, both Epstein’s and Wexner’s profiles grew on the world stage. In 1991, Wexner cofounded a philanthropic organization of Jewish billionaires known as the Mega Group, which uses some of its vast resources to shape Middle East policy. In 2003, Wexner’s foundation commissioned GOP messaging guru Frank Luntz to advise American Jewish leaders on how to rally support for Israel. “For a year—a SOLID YEAR—you should be invoking the name of Saddam Hussein and how Israel was always behind American efforts to rid the world of this ruthless dictator and liberate their people,” Luntz’s recommendation stated.
It’s possible that the first time Israel blackmailed an American president, it was to stop an investigation into the Wexner-Epstein blackmail ring. The second time they blackmailed the president, it was using the very material from that blackmail ring. I’m convinced that the Trump birthday card is significant in this regard. It is really hard to look at this and not conclude they are referring to underage girls. There is some notable secret shared between Trump and Epstein, which involves an enjoyment that can’t be named; it is the one thing “more to life than having everything”; after they agree on this secret pleasure, Trump writes “enigmas never age”, and Epstein replies “this was clear to me the last time I saw you”. It was, ostensibly, written by Trump, with his signature on the bush of a woman’s silhouette, while another entry from the birthday book (Joel Paschow) implies that Epstein had “sold” a woman to Trump:
a photo shows Epstein holding a large novelty check for $22,500 with a "DJTRUMP" signature. An accompanying note jokes that Epstein sold a "'fully depreciated' [woman] to Donald Trump for $22,500." The New York Times reported the page was made by Joel Pashcow, a member of Trump's Mar-a-Lago Club.
There’s one last piece of evidence toward this conspiracy theory (truly the platonic ideal of a conspiracy theory): the Israel-Trump-Guccifer election interference story.
I can reveal here the details of an elaborate covert operation personally directed by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that aimed to use secret intelligence to clandestinely intervene at the highest levels in the presidential election on behalf of Trump.
As part of the Mueller investigation, the bureau had conducted an extensive search for any foreign interference in the 2016 election, and the warrant was directed at securing the Google accounts of a mysterious Israeli agent acting under the direction of someone identified as “PM.” The FBI agent who wrote the affidavit noted, “I believe ‘PM’ refers to the ‘Prime Minister.’”
He would dispatch a discreet, highly trusted aide, armed with critical intelligence, to covertly “intervene” in the US election to help put his man Trump in the White House. Based on the FBI documents, the intelligence appears to have consisted of advance knowledge of Russia’s hacking of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign, and it may have included confidential details from the stolen e-mails. It was likely obtained by Israeli eavesdropping operations that were targeting secret Russian communications, as well as those of WikiLeaks.
According to the FBI warrant, the same day that Stone communicated with the Israeli agent, he began Googling some very strange terms, including “guccifer” and “dcleaks.” It would be nearly a month before those same terms would make headlines around the world. On June 14, The Washington Post reported that the DNC had been hacked by Russian government agents. The next day, someone calling himself “Guccifer 2.0” took credit for the attack. He claimed to be an American hacktivist, but according to a Justice Department indictment in July 2018, he was actually a Russian GRU employee. Soon afterward, the website DCLeaks—another front for the GRU—began releasing hacked Democratic Party documents.
The prospect of an October Surprise, along with the offer of critical intelligence, apparently got Trump’s attention. On September 25, he and his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, met privately with Netanyahu and Israeli Ambassador Ron Dermer in his Trump Tower penthouse. Later that day, he publicly announced that if he was elected, his administration would finally “recognize Jerusalem as the undivided capital of the State of Israel.”
Trump being compromised would explain the great lengths Israel went to get Trump elected, eg preparing for “the Russians” (lmao???) hacking and releasing the DNC emails. (As one final conspiratorial tie-in, probably not material but more of a fun fact: 4chan’s /pol/ was instrumental, if not focal, in getting the Trump train going and in searching through the Hillary emails. Epstein met with m00t, the owner of 4chan, shortly before the political board opened, and there are a number of emails where he shares threads from the site, though it’s mostly cartoon porn.).
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the relaxed standard you used for Palestinian Arabs -- having ancestry in the area -- and applies it to other groups, e.g. the Jews, it follows that Israel is -- by your reasoning -- Jewish land.
The reason to bring up ancestry is to debunk your claim that “the entire area has been invaded by so many different groups over the years there's no way to say one group has exclusive ownership.” When the Mandate ended, ownership belongs to who owns the land, just as it did before; the Palestinian land was possessed for many dozens of generations locally. The population of the owners of property did not change. We know from DNA they were there forever. There was no population transfusion as you appear to suggest. They are the indigenous owners of land. The British Mandate did not ban private property.
What should be done about the attempts of Palestinian Arabs to steal what is -- by your own principles -- Jewish land?
I already answered that land questions should be determined by an independent body of experts.
You could have laid out your principles from the very beginning of this exchange when I asked you to explain how "Palestinian Land" got to be "Palestinian Land."
I did. The land was owned by Palestinians since the Iron Age. It became private property under the empires. Why would the land suddenly go to someone from Poland or New York? Once the war ended, you had the declaration of an Israeli state, and you had “Arab” associations declare their state.
You could have laid out your principles from the very beginning
I did in a bunch of comments. “(1) state sponsored (2) terrorism (3) which expelled the native inhabitants or owners of the land (4) evidenced by solid historiography”. And in a separate comment: “If there is some ancestral quarter for Jews in Baghdad and the government made them flee through terrorism, they should have that back or be offered compensation.” And other things in other comments. I do not believe that land acquired through the violation of customary international law should go to the terroristic violators. My principles are that —
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land acquired through terrorism after 193x should not go to terrorists,
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based on the 1907 codification of international law, which was
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recognized as applicable globally by the end of the 1930s at Nuremberg,
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and further articulated in one of my first comments to you: “a solid rule: if Israelis used terrorism to cleanse the land, that land should be returned to Palestinians”
Meanwhile, you are just continuing to ask pointed and perhaps insincere questions…
That's what you did for Hebron. The Jews were undeniably ethnically cleansed but you went searching and found some allegations of bad conduct against some Jews which could then be used to argue that Jewish interest in Hebron was forever waived.
What you have presented is something called an unevidenced opinion. For me, literally pointing at rules and events is not enough evidence; for you, merely saying “it is undeniable” is enough. I even asked if you wanted to discuss only Hebron, but you declined. But hey, if an international body says that Jews in Hebron were indeed cleansed, either through the local government’s will or willful disregard, then they should get the land back! Why should it be up to me, mere commentator? Perhaps what you were trying to do is create some false equivalence between the Jews ethnically cleansing hundreds of thousands of people through terrorism, and what Palestinians were doing?
What’s great about the OP documents is that there are signatures and confessions about their intention and will and success and approval in using terrorism to take land that didn’t belong to them. You have the government actually admitting to doing this, and then crowning the terrorist who killed 40 people with the state’s highest honor. It’s not an allegation, it’s not a confusing story, it’s very strong evidence from what I can tell. So you when said “what about Hebron” (not even specifying the date, mind you, leaving me to guess), you are forcing me to wade through a swamp of historical minutiae to figure out whether the event qualifies in the same way. Maybe it does? Maybe it doesn’t? It seems like it kind of doesn’t, although it was still very bad?
all shades of low-agency
This is the truest blackpill IMO: collective agency has been eradicated from Westerners, and it will take at least a century to rebuild the necessary infrastructure to produce it again. A shared sense of tribal origin and identity, shared heroes, shared ritual celebrations, shared sacred affinities, shared (invented) memories, allegiance to a promised land, a shared enemy, and shared tragedies are the evolved ways to collaborate as humans. Even more important is the sense of catastrophic danger to the tribe which activates threat detection. While the Westerner has all of these instincts manually turned off through years of cultural conditioning, the religiously and/or nationalistically Jewish collective does the opposite, and tries their hardest to place every member through a rigorous process of in-group allegiance to enable collective collaboration. It is a kind of asymmetrical cultural strategy and it will win every single time, because the conditioned member of the group will choose what’s best for the group for free, and more robustly.
This plays out practically as follows: the President has not been conditioned to hyper-value his own tribe, but Kushner has, so Kushner persuades Trump toward a certain path which benefits the tribe. Trump’s cabinet make-up was significantly informed by people from the tribe, and they got rid of Gaetz through what looked like a kompromat op. Trump’s favorite news guy, Mark Levin, has allegiance to the tribe, and caters his message to persuade Trump. There’s a cadre of lobbyists who will all work passionately to benefit the tribe and they are motivated by deep biological triggers and not just money, and they can wield an enormous amount of influence as we saw with Les Wexner. In fact, while the Wexner Foundation would host talks about the dangers of White nationalism, they developed a meticulous decades-long strategy to increase loyalty to Israel among American Jews and decrease the intermarriage rate (which they catastrophized as a second holocaust), employing billions of dollars toward this aim. Why would Rubio or Hegseth risk their careers and livelihood to stand up against Trump when they have no deep reflexive in-group favor? And then you have billionaires like Miriam Adelson who don’t waste their money on a random African charity but have been trained to employ it toward Israel, and she admits to this. What we see are only the branched-off actions (Miriam has a lot of money) and not the root (Miriam was conditioned at a young age, her husband was given a job by a tribe member, tribe members sought to influence her support by activating her biological instincts).
In politics, “agency” isn’t an individual thing, but a product of social network and reflexive habits and values. If a tribe member wanted to “do something positive” for his group, he can call hundreds of organizations which will paternalistically guide him and even train him toward the most effective path to benefit the group using decades of experience (“volunteer here…” “join this…” “I know a guy in this industry…”). There is no organization which does this for Westerners. You can’t just cold email someone who will hype up your feelings of collective pride, remind you of your ancestral enemy Amalek, and then tell you to do x and y and then work in z because “it’s good for the Jewish people”. Westerners are woefully behind the winning strategy of power as it is actually acquired according to EvPsych.
You are not arguing in good faith. If they own the land and have lived in it for generations, it doesn’t matter what they call themselves. There was a group, based on genetic and archaeological evidence, and they used either more specific city identities (Al-Khalili from Hebron), or greater identities which included parts of Syria, or a clan name. It is fallacious to say something doesn’t exist because it doesn’t have a name you find neatly-specified.
You have introduced
You asked me to specify something, which naturally entails introducing new elements; that is literally how every application or discussion on rules works. I have no idea how this is surprising to you. I already detailed the specific legal articulations of 1907, if that’s how you prefer to think. You don’t need a midrash for this. You asked me an underlying principle to the underlying principle; the underlying principle of underlying principles is evolutionary intuition, and under that is God. What do you want me to say, “it’s turtles all the way down”? I can literally point to an international body that has legislated on these issues with neat rules. You are pointing to… I don’t even know. Yet even neat rules require implementation specification.
Apparently in the 1920s, it was "anything goes." But apparently the magic year is 1945.
Yes, the civilized world was in agreement on this prior to the Nakba, according to experts of international law. You can call this magic and I would agree that human cooperation is magic. If you don’t believe in any international law, then we still have moral intuition.
For example, I've asked you a few times now if Gaza City has any "Jewish Land" in it and you've simply ignored the question.
This is not an honest way to engage in discourse. You asked me to legislate on a list of areas, and I did you the honor of going through academic resources to find details of the first event you listed, which included finding the second volume of an expansive history of Palestine in French. “If you don’t spend 100 hours finding the exact details of implementation involving every city I list, you have dodged my question”. Surely you can tell this is silly. I have already said that the rule applies based on material conditions, so I fail to see your point. You’re looking for some way to score a deceitful victory in your own mind, I suppose, by asking questions on details which involve innumerable specific details, and would never be settled in the real world except through months-long deliberation. That’s more hutzpah than gotcha.
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It appears to me that the Almighty’s Moral Law (evolutionary-informed moral values) inscribed onto the hearts of men from birth (moral intuition) is that if a person takes something by unusual terror and theft, then it doesn’t belong to them, except within a prevailing social climate of everyone taking things by terror and theft, in which case it is usual and merely playing by the rules. People much smarter than myself have expressed these universal moral rules through the bodies of international law. By the end of 1945, the civilized world was firmly against acquisition through terror and theft, and according to experts, the formulations of the 1907 Hague Conventions had become customary international law bound to all states by the 1930s. So when you write,
according to YOUR principles about what constitutes "Palestinian Land" there is also such a thing as Jewish Land and Palestinian Arabs have tried to steal it.
This is insufficiently specific for me to understand what you mean. If you mean that the land the Jews stole by terror has become their land, then I disagree. If you mean the land they legally bought, then I agree. Each specific case has to be understood specifically. What were the agreements to the land purchases, and so forth? What was the law in place regarding Palestinians on the land? Did they use terror or threat to force purchases? And so forth. All land legally purchased by Jews has become their land, if there was no legal authority presiding over the land apart from the British / Ottoman authorities.
In my view, the entire area has been invaded, occupied, and controlled by so many different groups over the years
Unfortunately, this view is not in line with genetics and archaeology which show the continuation of Palestinians from the earliest records. When the British Mandate ceased, Palestine doesn’t become some blank slate no man’s land, but the same political apparati that operated under the Mandate and before the Mandate is in effect.
I think I’ve answered ~10 of your questions by now. Which one is the most important that you want me to answer? I pretty much already supplied answers to these, so how do you want me to answer this?
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Interesting; so had Germany genocided all of their Jews within their own borders, this would have been perfectly legal, totally beyond the purview of outside governments. Just an internal matter. TIL.
In any case, this doesn’t apply to the Nakba, as the newfound “State of Israel” did not have legal possession over the land that they terrorized. Immediately after 15 May 1948, the majority of the land belonged to the Palestinians.
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Let’s see if I can use a comparison that you will appreciate. Imagine Israel continues to exist in 6000AD. Now imagine that some Iranians buy some homes, legally, from some of the Jews in the most Jewish part of Israel. They keep to themselves, don’t speak your language, wave their own flag, but you pay no heed. Now imagine one day they do what is written in the OP, and cause the Jews to flee out into the Sinai or something. In how many years does the land of Israel belong exclusively to the Iranians, and the Jews can no longer complain whatsoever, or ever return? 30 years? 50? 100? And why?
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1d ago
It is not illegal to massacre civilians and ethnically cleanse populations through terror? Nuremberg disagrees with you, as does probably every expert of international law not from Israel.
If an event in Hebron satisfies the conditions of (1) state sponsored (2) terrorism (3) which expelled the native inhabitants or owners of the land (4) evidenced by solid historiography, then yes. I see that the 1929 riot was preceded by —
hundreds of Jewish nationalists marched to the Western Wall on August 14, 1929 while British authorities were on leave, shouting slogans such as "The Wall is Ours" and raising the Jewish national flag
And at least three Israeli historians assert that the riot began when three Arabs were killed. This makes the historiography fuzzy: obviously, if you move in from Poland and New York and declare with a flag that someone else’s land belongs to you, and then you kill three Arabs, a violent retaliation for that can’t really be considered “terrorism”, even if the retaliation is disproportionate enough to charge men with crimes. And evidently both Arabs and Jews were charged. Which is good that they were charged.
Is this what you mean? Do you just want to discuss Hebron in depth? You can just specify your argument.
you say that what is now Israel has been "Palestinian Land" because some subset of Palestinian Arabs has can be shown to have genetic continuity with those who were there thousands of years ago
Because all Palestinians have more genetic continuity than Ashkenazi, but especially the Christian Palestinians.
At the same time, you seem to agree that at least some subset of the Jews also has such continuity.
Yes, the Mizrachim, from what I can tell, especially Iraqi Jews.
Therefore, it follows -- based on YOUR reasoning -- that the whole area is Jewish Land.
Well, no. When you sell property, the property no longer belongs to you. Similarly, if you vacate property, it no longer belongs to you. I think the confusion here is that you believe that Jews were displaced from Israel. This is actually a myth. Jews continued to live in Israel after losing the war against Rome, synagogues continued to be built, and it was largely due to economic reasons that Jews voluntarily left the land of Israel for Babylon in later centuries. Zvi Eckstein has a great paper showing that the travel to Babylon and beyond makes sense in light of the income that Jews could generate thanks to their new religion (Rabbinicalism) which essentially demanded literacy. The illiterate Jews were despised by the Rabbis, and they wound up shifting to Christianity.
While the Jews volitionally left their betrothed land to, well, serve Mammon (poetically speaking), a remnant of the Chosen People who recognized Christ remained in the land (why would a farmer or shepherd leave?). Volitionally leaving land is irrelevant here.
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What is colloquially called “Palestinian Arab” encompasses the descendants of the House of Israel who stayed in the land and converted to Christianity and later Islam. They have the strongest direct continuity to ancient Israel according to available DNA distance tools. One study in Nature found that Ashkenazim are majority Italian in ancestry, but all available comparisons show that they are further away than the indigenous Palestinians.
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you agree that any area depopulated of Jews due to a terror campaign is Jewish land?
Sure, and that happened with WWII reparations, with Germany paying some high number of billions. What’s wrong with that? If there is some ancestral quarter for Jews in Baghdad and the government made them flee through terrorism, they should have that back or be offered compensation.
you are claiming that (1) DNA analysis of Palestinian Arabs connects them to what is now Israel going back thousands of years; and (2) DNA analysis of other groups, including Jews, does not do so?
I provided some links in this comment. The Palestinians (particularly the Christians) show direct continuity with DNA of Ancient Israel. Samaritans show the closest link of course, which makes sense, and then there’s the Iraqi Jews showing a close link. Ashkenazim are somewhat far away in terms of genetics.
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You seemed to imply that international law has always been vae victis. If that’s so, then America can simply do as she pleases based on her sense of justice, being the most powerful nation globally.
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An international body of third-party experts should decide what constitutes Palestinian land, based on informed estimates of the areas depopulated due to the terror campaign. In the same way that one person didn’t decide the outcome of Germany after WWII, it would be silly to speculate the exact parameters of what is owed to Palestinians. A solid rule: if Israelis used terrorism to cleanse the land, that land should be returned to Palestinians.
how did that land get to be "Palestinian land"
At least around the Iron Age, based on DNA. The Christian Palestinians even have a Biblical claim to the land, being descended from the agriculturalists who “converted” to Christianity, and staying put as the Jewish community migrated to Babylon and then dispersed globally to pursue higher wages. There is no reason to think there is significant Arab admixture given how close their DNA is to Samaritans.
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2d ago
Indian partition violence was the result of mobs, not a top down military policy. But the violence of Israelis against Palestinians occurred as part of a conscious military policy involving ethnic cleansing and terrorism, which is shown in the documents. This makes them qualitatively different events.
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Under vae victis, America could force Israel to hand back Palestinian land tomorrow. Vae Victis does not legislate that the winning power must act without morality, it merely states that the winner’s dictates are the established reality. America could simply dictate tomorrow that Israel hand the land back to Palestinians, which would satisfy the feelings of the global hegemon while promoting regional stability. That is also Vae Victis. Why shouldn’t the winning nation opt to feel good and promote peace?
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How would you apply the “living memory” rule to other conflicts, actual and hypothetical, so that we know it’s not just an ad hoc rule? Eg, if China took control of Japan for 80 years, should no Japanese ever try to take it back? Should Europe have given up on retaking Spain after 800ad? There are Israelis currently living in homes built by Palestinians; is that not sufficiently “living memory”?
they’re really not that different from Jordanians, Syrians, and Lebanese
Christian Palestinians appear to be more similar to ancient Israelites than Ashkenazim. While an Englishman might be .018 away from a German using g25 coordinates, a Russian Jew is .09 away from an ancient Israelite while a Christian Palestinian is .032 away. They’re about two Samaritans away from an Ancient Jew, which seems pretty close.
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It may go against the 1907 Hague Convention (IV) in the following ways:
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rights, the lives of persons, and private property, as well as religious conviction and practice, must be respected. Private property cannot be confiscated. Pillage is formally forbidden.
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It is especially forbidden to… kill or wound treacherously individuals belonging to the hostile nation or army [interpreted at Nuremberg to apply to civilians]
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It is especially forbidden to… kill or wound an enemy who, having laid down his arms, or having no longer means of defence, has surrendered at discretion
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The attack or bombardment, by whatever means, of towns, villages, dwellings, or buildings which are undefended is prohibited.
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No general penalty, pecuniary or otherwise, shall be inflicted upon the population on account of the acts of individuals for which they cannot be regarded as jointly and severally responsible
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the inhabitants and the belligerents remain under the protection and the rule of the principles of the law of nations, as they result from the usages established among civilized peoples, from the laws of humanity, and the dictates of the public conscience.
The Nuremberg Court notes that by 1939 this was “recognized by all civilized nations and were regarded as being declaratory of the laws and customs of war”.
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Haaretz recently reported on a trove of new documents pertaining to the 1948 expulsion of Palestinians by Jewish Zionists. They are quite interesting, as they provide evidence toward the disputed claim that the Zionists used a conscious strategy of terror to expel the Muslim and Christian inhabitants.
The most important documents for closer historical examination were those that dealt with the War of Independence. One document that stood out among the papers that had been tossed into the garbage was written by Yitzhak Broshi, commander of Golani's 12th Battalion in the war. It was an order from July 1948 that Broshi sent commanders of the brigade's companies that were engaged in combat in the northern part of the country, titled "Conduct in captured villages where there is a population." The contents of this document are not the type of material one finds in Israeli history books. Broshi informed the officers that after an Arab village was captured, identification certificates were to be issued to the inhabitants. If someone transferred their certificate to another person, both were to be shot. If someone did not report on time for military inspection, they were to be shot and their home was to be blown up. If an "outside Arab" was found in a village, according to Broshi's directives, he was to be shot immediately. In general, the rule was to shoot "every 10th man" in a captured village where outsiders were found. In addition, all the men in any household in which property stolen from Jews was found were to be executed.
Moreover, while there was an order to raze villages, in some cases that was not enough. For example, when it came to Arab a-Zabah, a Bedouin community in the Lower Galilee, not a soul or a trace was to remain. "Every Arab among the Zabahim is to be killed," the order stated. These were not vague directives conveyed by word of mouth. This one and others appeared in "black on white" and were signed by Broshi in his handwriting. In another order dated July 1948, Broshi instructed his troops to mount a search for Arabs who might have hidden in the Mount Turan area of the Lower Galilee, after the site had already been conquered. The order was: "Kill anyone who is hiding."
Among the documents is one stating that "Arabs in a small number are wandering about in the [captured] villages," apparently to collect possessions and food. As per the instructions in the document: "The area is to be cleansed of Arabs." Under the heading "The method," the document adds that "every Arab who will be met with is to be annihilated."
Kotzer's vast collection, some of which was quoted above, is part of a trove of thousands of legal documents from 1948 that were declassified by the military courts due to recent procedures initiated by the Akevot Institute. This rich resource, which was approved for publication by the Military Censor, sheds new light on the history of the Palestinian refugee question. Moreover, it completely dispels the Israeli narrative according to which the country's Arab inhabitants fled of their own volition at the behest of their own leaders. Although some such instructions were indeed disseminated, and some people left at their own initiative – it can now be confirmed, on the basis of an impressive range of evidence, that the IDF expelled Arabs systematically and violently during the War of Independence. The expulsion was effected by massacres, murder and a variety of moves aimed at terrorizing this civilian population and expediting its flight.
There are a number of insightful things here that are a bit too long to quote. It mentions one Shmuel Lehis who massacred 40 Palestinians, becoming the only Israeli convicted of a war crime in this period. He received just one year in jail (in practice: hanging out at a military base) before being pardoned. He went on to work with the World Zionist Organization and became the president of the Jewish Agency in 1978. He later won the Chairman of the Knesset prize, the highest honor bestowed by the Israeli Parliament. Another interesting file involves the commander of the most prominent brigade at the time conveying the dominant expulsion strategy: "How do you expel a village? You lop off the ear of one of the Arabs before everyone else's eyes, and they all flee. In practice, no village was evacuated without stabbing someone in the stomach or by means of similar methods. We won thanks only to the fear of the Arabs, and they were fearful only of deeds that were not in accordance with the law."
I think these documents will be influential in future discourse about the Palestinian Question and the Israel Question. How justified is the Palestinian drive to take back their land from forces of terror (or their inheritors)? How justified is the existence of Israel? Should the world reward a state for taking land through ethnicity-targeted terrorism? Or are these events simply too old to inform present opinion? Comparing these events to Ukraine, we might ask: if Russia were to begin a strategy of terror bombing civilian homes, so as to lead Ukrainians to flee en masse, in how many years should we forget they they’ve done this and welcome them into the World Order?
(1) Three dead American servicemen confirmed by Centcom
U.S. Central Command said Sunday that three American service members were killed and five others were seriously wounded during Operation Epic Fury, the joint U.S.-Israeli military operation against Iran
(2) A disinformation war is happening in regards to whether a school in Iran was hit, and if it were hit, whether its destruction was caused by Iran, Israel, or America. 100+ Iranian girls were killed.
(3a) It isn’t clear why negotiations failed with Iran. A day before the attack, the designated Omani mediator asserted that Iran conceded fully on enrichment and nuclear weapons: “The single most important achievement, I believe, is the agreement that Iran will never, ever have a nuclear material that will create a bomb,” said Albusaidi, describing the understanding as “something completely new” compared to the previous nuclear deal negotiated under former US President Barack Obama. He said the negotiations have produced an agreement on “zero accumulation, zero stockpiling, and full verification” by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), calling it a breakthrough that makes the enrichment argument “less relevant.” On existing stockpiles inside Iran, Albusaidi said that “there is agreement now that this will be down-blended to the lowest-level possible … and converted into fuel, and that fuel will be irreversible.”
(3b) It appears that Witkoff and Kushner were instrumental in the decision to strike Iran: ”Witkoff and Jared Kushner, U.S. officials said. They told him the talks had gone badly: Tehran wasn’t willing to end its nuclear enrichment or dismantle its missile program, the officials said. That further confirmed for Trump that he had one option left, the officials said. The U.S. also had intelligence that Iran considered attacking American targets before Trump authorized strikes, a senior administration official said, adding a sense of urgency to the president’s decision. U.S. casualties and damage to American interests would be higher unless the U.S. moved first, the senior official said.”
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If you are a user of LessWrong, what is the most insightful two things you’ve read on LessWrong in the past year?
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Trump is 80 years old and easily impressionable. Jared has an outsize influence on his thoughts. I don’t see why Jared Kushner wouldn’t sacrifice millions of Americans for Israel, which is the homeland he pledges allegiance to in his prayers, and which he believes is God’s favorite place and people. Kushner runs American foreign policy according to Rex Tillerson via one FBI informant (Chuck Johnson), and there are some reasons to believe he’s telling the truth here, although he’s otherwise totally unreliable:
Renda is the wife of Rex Tillerson (Rex), former Secretary of State for Trump. Renda told CHS [Confidential Human Source] about smears in the New York Post and how Jared was running a rival State Department operation. Rex affirmed Renda's claim. Renda was introduced to CHS by Daren Blanton (Blanton). Renda and Rex both told CHS they had been under intense surveillance. Renda told CHS she can't wait for the FBI to call her, so that she can tell them everything she knows
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%209/EFTA00090314.pdf
The Ellison Family has already been shown to be conspiring with Israel proper for the purposes of influencing America: https://jackpoulson.substack.com/p/david-ellis-benny-gantz-anti-bds-black-cube . The “12 wealthy donors meeting in a council for secret influence” is similar to the structure of Wexner’s Mega group.
”Benny meet david. David meet Benny," opened a purported email from Berkowitz on December 23, 2015, before Berkowitz added that he "told david briefly about your [Gantz's] 12 tribe idea which you can expound on to him which he seemed very interested in." Other slide decks and text documents in the leaked Handala archive include proposals from Gantz from a similar time period for a "Counter-BDS Initiative," which he hoped to have funded through 12 prominent Jewish donors.
"Funding for this initiative shall be provided by an exclusive group of the twelve most influential Jewish philantropists [sic, emphasis theirs], symbolizing the twelve Jewish tribes; Israel's government shall act as a thirteenth, facilitating 'tribe'," read the June 10, 2015 proposal purportedly drafted by Gantz's spokesperson, Melody Sucharewicz. The two primary slide deck summaries of the CBI concept coupled the donor analogy with a popular pictorial representation of the 12 tribes, with each of the 12 lead donors being asked to commit $1 million over a five year period.
The slide deck for the Counter-BDS Initiative promised that the effort would be "unprecedented in the use of state-of-the-art cyber technology as a soft weapon against BDS & Co," including through employment of "former IDF intel & cyber officers."
Institutional Judaism’s greatest strength is the seemingly bottomless naïveté and gullibility of the goyim, or at least the eldergoyim, who fail to comprehend that the people who behaved as a cohesive tribe to pursue their self-interest for 3000 years would continue doing so into the future. They fail to learn from their own culture’s history, where they would find the clauses of the Magna Carta that specifically curtailed the influence of Jews who had aligned with the ruling dynasty of England against the common people, and may notice the resemblance to the way Jews operate in America vis-a-vis Trump and Ruling Party. They fail to learn from the opening of the Gates of Toledo, and in fact they do not even believe it when they read it, that Sephardic Jews opened the city walls to allow foreigners to genocide the Germanic ruling families, and so they have no connection to draw when they witness the Sephardic Jew Mayorkas smile next to Joe Biden as he promotes an “unrelenting stream of immigration, nonstop, nonstop” with the purpose of ending the White majority, with the key enemy of Mayorkas’ activism being “white supremacy”. They will read about Epstein trafficking hundreds of gentile girls and women (having no memory of the centuries where the Jews trafficked Slavic Christian slave girls), being funded by the world’s most influential leader of Jewish life, whose Foundation literally selects the elites of Israel, and his innumerable meeting with the former intelligence chief and PM of Israel, at least 60 times in-person meetings within a decade, while working as an agent of the Rothschilds and demeaning the “goyim” dozens of times in his emails (sprinkled with Yiddish), and they will conclude that Epstein was a lone actor. All the while, a Jewish journalist at CNN with no such memory loss writes —
The timing of the US and Israeli attack on Iran bears symbolic meaning in Judaism. Ahead of the upcoming Jewish holiday of Purim, worshippers read the specific portion from the Old Testament, known as Zachor. The passage from the book of Deuteronomy commands the ancient Israelites to remember an unprovoked attack by the nation of Amalek and to eradicate the memory of Amalek once the Israelites are settled in their land. The passage is read publicly before Purim to fulfil the mitzvah of remembering Amalek as Israel’s achetypical enemy.
In a phrase: the goyim have gone insane. They have no immune system, no cultural memory, no threat detection. They have forgotten everything that their ancestors painstakingly wrote down for them. They cannot conceive of the possibility of people putting tribe first, and if you told them what is in the authoritative Jewish holy books, or that the Jews pray thrice a day for community informers to be slain or thank Hashem each morning “for not making me a goy”, they would accuse you (!) of storing hate in your heart.
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The women of Syria / Iraq / Libya were not better off after our interventions, but substantially worse off.
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The NSA: https://www.newsweek.com/israel-flagged-top-spy-threat-us-new-snowdennsa-document-262991
The term "manipulation/influence operations" refers to covert attempts by Israel to sway U.S. public opinion in its favor. In this, Israel has dubious company, according to the NSA: Other leading threats were listed as China, Russia, Cuba, Iran, Pakistan, North Korea, France, Venezuela and South Korea.
Also, American-allegiant scholars like John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs, and John Kiriakou the CIA insider
This is a collective action problem:
(1) It is in the atomized individual’s interest to focus exclusively on money, status, and physical beauty at the expense of other considerations, in order to maximize mate choice. (2) This individual self-interest will only increase the success of a small percent of the total population, and only temporarily, because the advice will quickly become the common recommendation, and soon after the required weekly chore, like getting frequent haircuts and new shoes and going to college and being on apps; because status is zero sum, you have succeeded only in raising the number of chore hours globally, because when everyone exercises, then no one is unusually attractive for having a gym body. This is akin to finding a broken new build in a video game: great success for a week, then everyone uses it, then the game is less fun for everyone. (3) Because this raises the bar on the number of chore hours per week, you have greatly decreased the odds of ever solving the root problem, which requires men giving up on self-interest maximization in order to cooperate in pursuit of collective interest; in this case, the collective interest involves conservative social norms, religiosity, and a greater intrinsic status asymmetry between men and women, and some other complex “social technologies”. (4) The end result is that everyone becomes a South Korean, except worse because the Westerner is not genetically suited for that kind of grind; everyone will spend all their free time trying to be more attractive than the next man, in order to win the affection of increasingly picky women. Soon enough, you will be laughed at if you’re not using AI to write tailored messages according to the projected ovulation window of your dating app match as determined by certain keywords and response times after you sent phenotypically-informed memes chosen by an online service out of India. A grizzly prospect. Meanwhile there will be endless scroll AI porn.
The high TFR groups have solved this issue by giving up on self-interest entirely and maximizing for collective interest. The Amish share their wealth and ban vanity and train women to be gracious; the Salafists condemn male and female beautification and force women to obey their father’s marriage wishes; etc. They never exercise, they have no “game”, they look ridiculous and they have 5 or more children. It was really easy in 1950 to enforce monogamous pairings by policing female behavior through shame spread by gossip, but this is impossible when scrolling apps show them the most handsome man in their vicinity who unbeknownst to them goes on two separate and successful dates per week, and when “social” media involving gossip is pretty much over.
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